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Gaza massacre
Zaini:
A local news paper printed this picture today,and caption is "Israeli militants involved in Gaza blockade and attacks are reciting Torah,if they were muslims and were reciting Quran,western media would have called them extremists and fundamentalists".
Zaini.
nice friend:
usualy i dont got the words to turn my feelings into words but ,this time i think i did this a lil bit ..... :whew i did or did. ....?? :scratch :scratch ... Confused , soo :grin ..
Umair
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Zaini you're absolutely right , i would like post a joke on the point you raised up .... realy soon :thmubsup ...
Umair
Andy Battaglia:
There is something about this thread that bothers me and it's when people mix Israel and all Jewish people. I don't think it's right anymore than when people mix terrorists claiming to be Muslim, with all Muslims. It is just wrong either way. I have had many Jewish friends in my life and we have all seen videos and pics of Jews protesting the actions of the Israeli government. Please do not blame a whole segment of the world because politicians ruin the world. Politicians lie and mislead people into supporting them but most often, it ends badly for those who believed. The war in Iraq is a prime example of people being gullible and believing what should have been obvious had the press done anything but become a mouthpiece for a criminal president. Most Americans will now admit they were lied to and no longer support our involvement in Iraq, but at the time. close to 90% of Americans voiced approval. If only people learned to think for themselves and question what leaders say.
Jake:
I don't know much about the Gaza issue, so can't comment on that, but let me tell you one thing. While, most of the people in Pakistan might be peace loving, there are a lot of problems, which lie inside pakistan. There are training camps, where these people - who are sent to create terror (to kill innocent people) get their training. These camps were operated in Afganistan and with the US war, has shifted to Pakistan and most of the world knows it. Training camps for groups like Lashkar-e-Taiba which i think changed it's name to Jamaat-ud-Dawa are being operated in Pakistan. I would ask whose job is it to stop those camps?? Such camps were in Afghanistan previously(totally supported by the Taliban government), which after the strikes in Afghan have moved to Pakistan. If the government of Pakistan tries to take hard actions against these extremists and stop saying that whenever something happens somewhere and links are tied back to pakistan - that pakistan is blamed without a reason. Instead may be the government should start taking actions instead of denying that terrorist training camps do operate in Pakistan. They did start taking actions only after they were pressurized to do it. Look at the story below.
Pakistan cracks down on Jamaat ud-Dawa
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-pakistan16-2009jan16,0,3064256.story
Also, look at http://www.ladlass.com/intel/archives/cat_jamaat-ud-dawa.html
This site clearly shows what is going on in Pakistan. Or if you want go to google and search Terrorism and Pakistan and you will get so many hits.
Look at the London bombings or those caught during the war in Afghanistan and most of the 9/11 terrorist were trained in pakistan. I don't understand the citizens of Pakistan trying to ignore all this. I remember in year 99 or in 2000, when Afghan was ruled by the Talibans, there was an Indian Airlines plane hijacked by the terrorist and they demanded some prisoners to be released for the freedom of the hostages of the hijacked plane. These terrorist were allowed to walk out with what they wanted. Why?? because they were in Afghanistan where the Talibans were ruling. The terrorist along with those released were let go in a vehicle and today they operate training from Pakistan. They have been many times under house arrest by the government of pakistan. Why not, just give these terrorist to India and try to really show that Pakistan wants peace???
It is rightly said that "A society degenerates because the wise people keep quiet & do not dare to act pomptly so the anti socials (in this case the muslim extremists) take control & start what we see as Do What They Want Rule" which is difficult to get rid of. Even educated muslims are falling for this Osama's jannati reward temptings -like the 9/11 rogues in US. If the general population stops supporting these activities, we might see peace.
One of the member has clearly mentioned that - they want a stable neighbour and many of you have mentioned that poverty can lead to problems. The problems lies in that. Some of the posts even mention, that they are left with nothing and these terrorist use them by providing them with money and brain washing them to do these rude acts. I hear that the 10 terrorist were all those who had no relations to their families were picked after training for more than a month.
--- Quote from: T @ r ! Q on January 09, 2009, 05:39:56 PM ---Imagine twelve people cross the Naval defence of a regional power of Asia, in a boat :huh. And they find there way to high security area of Mumbai with loads of guns and ammo. Then they have everything settled in hotels and they have stocks of ammo and food for them to spend time there.Can that get more dumb than this? ??? Why the whole world accepts a ridiculous made-up story by India, but when we say we didn't do it, they don't accept.
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This member is clearly not knowing whats going on or is trying to ignore it. Highly trained terrorist can do this. As, I mentioned earlier they were trained. They were not settled in hotels - they ran from the boat into 5 different teams and they went with their ammunitions and dry fruits. I dont have anything against you. I just want you to say that this can happen and there is a lot of evidence that points to it. The person caught has said he was trained in Pakistan, is a resident of Pakistan and he along with the 9 people came in the boat from Pakistan. There is evidence of the GPS(preprogrammed with routes from Pakistan), ToothBrush, Guns, clothes. the fishing troller, satellite phone (with records of chat with the controller in Pakistan - who was giving instructions on the phone to the terrorist). A good make up story. Please try to think that Pakistan is shooting itself. You might even say the 9/11 terrorist coming into US, were all fake. The 9/11 terrorist came to a country where everyone is welcome. did u know, that US has such a multi culture, that i dont think is there in Pakistan or for that matter any muslim country. The 9/11 terrorist came and lived in US and were roaming freely. They were human bombs that exploded with their brain washed minds and were toys operated by the osamas of the world. They were also highly trained in camps in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Today, whereever, there is a problem, there are links tied back to Pakistan. It has become a dangerous place as even pakistan itself faces problem by these religious (so-called) mullahs (as some of you mention islam does not preach violence). But, being educated and a person who can think - should think if by keeping the views that whatever happens is due to others fault.
The thinking is a major factor and I think if people start thinking that just by killing innocent people, they are going to achieve what they want is totally wrong. Someone else mentioned that by killing themselves they will be rewarded by God, I doubt it. God is same for everyone. Try to accept other religions and the problems will be solved. Only by accepting others will you be able to look at others as others and not the enemy of Islam.
As someone stated, War is not the solution to anything. It is not going to benifit anyone. So change the feeling of others looking at islam as enemy. that is not the case. has any of you visited US? Muslims or any other culture people are treated with respect. they can roam around freely and do all what they want. they work with us and they can whatever they want with us. we are a free nation and all are welcome. is that allowed in any muslim country? i have heard of females not allowed to go to school in afghanistan, females having problems with their husbands and still having to live with them in many muslim countries.
This post is not to offend anyone. we respect the world as does the world respect us but by looking into the mirror you will realize who you are. Learn to have peace and you will get peace.
Manal:
Me too i don't know much about the situation in Pakistain or India, but i do know about other stuff quiet well.
First,
--- Quote ---Try to accept other religions and the problems will be solved. Only by accepting others will you be able to look at others as others and not the enemy of Islam.
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*Who said that muslims do not accept other religions, this is totally wrong and there is no point of view here cause you can not be a muslim unless you believe and NOT ONLY accept christinaty with its prophet Jeseus and the Jews religion with their prophet Moses. So it is one of the pillars of Islam that is why i say there is no point of view here cause if you get any typical muslim from any country in this world, the same thing will be said
* Revising history and since Islam arised and there were Islamic nations, all people with different religions were living togather. Even at the begining of the Islamic era, no one was ever foreced to leave his religion and becone a muslim because again simply you can not do this unless you are convienced with the essence and beliefs of this reliogion
* Media has created a steryotype that Islam was propagated by sword and again if you read history this wasn't the case. When Islam came to Egypt for example, Christians were suffering from the torture of the romans and on the contrary they welcomed the muslims cause they were a relief for them at this time. From that date muslims and christians live in thsi country with no one asking the other''what is your religion''. I personally was raised in a non muslim school and i never felt any difference or this thought of what you belive in has even crossed my mind or my friends from other religions.
* One last thing on this point, Islam will not gain forcing people to join it and will not lose if muslims became against it. We are talking about a religion and a belief here that addressing it as an enamy is meaningless
--- Quote ---has any of you visited US? Muslims or any other culture people are treated with respect. they can roam around freely and do all what they want. they work with us and they can whatever they want with us. we are a free nation and all are welcome
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Yes i have visited the US several times and what you claim is not true, becuase you can find discrimination. In the US, there is the biggest margin of freedom you can find in any country but at the same time you can find discrimination on many levels. Many times, you can see veiled ladies who were pushed on the streets because their veil showed they are muslims. With all the civilization and tecnology there is still discrimination of race which till now is not understood by me. Does this all suggest that all American s are like this or all christians are like this, definetly not
--- Quote ---is that allowed in any muslim country?
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Yes, you will never find a muslim country that dicriminate people according to race simply because it is not allowed in our religion, does this suggest any thing about muslim countries and makes them the best, definetly not
--- Quote ---i have heard of females not allowed to go to school in afghanistan, females having problems with their husbands and still having to live with them in many muslim countries.
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Who said that this relates to islam by any means??????? At the time of the prophet, women were allowed to learn and get educated, they even went to wars. In islam, it is just enough for a woman to feel that she does not want to continue her life with her husband to get divorce and at the same time she gets all her rights.
But what you said is found too in some countries but because of laws (which is not Islamic at all ) . because of governments and the list goes on.
When Europe was in the dark ages Islamic countries were the leading and all the the basics of now a days technolgy were taken from the islamic nations, so how is islam against education and knowlege.
you are just relating everything to Isalm which is not the case and in every religion you have extremists. You can not judge the whole religion with the actions of its extremists. And you can not mix politics with religion. Extremeist are the result of weak believers who are manipulated by dirty politics and it is all about interests and not religions. It is all about power. Was religion ever a cause for any war on earth now or in the past never. Now a days whose land is being invaded & colonized and people are thrown out of their countries as refeugges?? Who??
--- Quote ---Learn to have peace and you will get peace.
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Give me one example when an isalmic nation has gone through this, and please don't mention extremist acts as they are usually used by a third party to cause instability.
Finally i can not hide that i am really offended, first because i am really unable to express my self in english, i have many things to say but the language does not help
Second, because i can not imagine that anybody can judge a religion from what is said about it in the media and judging a billion people by acts of exremists found in every country and every religion. Religions are not for people to critise them but for people to belive in them. How can someone talk about something he never read about???
manal
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