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Poirot:
--- Quote from: Kathy11 on January 23, 2009, 07:41:19 AM ---After all is said and done, it add up to " we are all the same ,we have the same" needs" maybe different "wants".
Lets not argue among ourselves we are all priceless Human-beings
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Very true, Kathy.
I "want" a Lamborghini !!!
Poirot
Poirot:
Tariq:
Let us get something very clear here ...... India is not heaven, nowhere close to it, and parts of it are actually hell. I do not have my eyes closed to what my nation is .... at the same time, I have a sense for what my nation can become. I will be the first to condemn the mess made by our politicians .... I have no false pride in my country, and do not/will not rush to defend every single thing that it does.
Does caste-based discrimination not happen in India today? Of course, it does.
Does it mean it is accepted by us? No.
We have special and stringent laws to deal with caste-driven atrocities .... and people are punished when guilty. We also have positive discrimination such as reservations for backward communities in schools, colleges and govt jobs. It takes time to undo ages-old discrimination. There was "institutionalised" colour-based discrimination (Jim Crow laws) in the US even in the 70's. In India TODAY, institutionalised discrimination or atrocities are few and far between - and, are dealt with very harshly, if and when it happens.
I do not know whether you know this: the so-called "backward castes" control the legislatures of UP, Bihar, MP, Rajasthan and Tamil Nadu in India. They also provide the single largest block of MPs to our parliament and formulate policies. So, we have come a long way, although lot still remains to be done.
But, this issue does not affect you, does it, apart from "showing India down"? Are the "backward castes" sending terrorists into Pakistan?
However, we are affected by the crap that happens in Pakistan - we are now spending money on defence, which could be better spent on education, health care and sanitation in India. We spend c. 10% of our GDP on defence - how stupid is that for a poor country, who has over 300m people subsisting on less than $2 a day. But. we are FORCED to spend this money, because we have a very unstable, psychotic neighbour.
Who cares about A R Rehman's religion? Did he really convert? If he was treated so badly in India, why does he still live here and sell his craft here? We just like his music, as we like the music of Mohammed Rafi (among others). Did you know that Bollywood is powered by muslim actors? Do we care about their religion? No. We just care about the quality of the entertainment they provide us.
Is Islam really against music and movies? How silly. So, the Sufis are all essentially heretics, according to you?
Poirot
PS: Secular means the separation of religion and state - neither shall interfere in the matters of the other. And, yes, we are a secular republic. Why does that cause you so much angst?
T @ r ! Q:
Chinese intelligence could be involved in Mumbai attacks. Editorial in Indian website.
http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/20391.asp
Story can change this time also just like it did in Samjhota Express attack.
--- Quote ---Is Islam really against music and movies? How silly. So, the Sufis are all essentially heretics, according to you?
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Not according to me, but Islamic beliefs. Please study Islam or don't talk about it at all. Whatever practice which was not done in time of Muhammad PBUH is not part of Islam. Again, plz atleast try to understand (i know its hard) the difference between religion and personal acts/culture.
Poirot:
--- Quote from: T @ r ! Q on January 23, 2009, 09:45:21 AM ---Chinese intelligence could be involved in Mumbai attacks. Editorial in Indian website.
http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/20391.asp
Story can change this time also just like it did in Samjhota Express attack.
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Please ...... can we be serious here and quote responsible sources, not just any random website. The *Pakistani govt* now says that India has provided "good evidence" and it is acting to apprehend the perps. Some are already behind bars. So, can we please stop with the delusions.
--- Quote ---Not according to me, but Islamic beliefs. Please study Islam or don't talk about it at all. Whatever practice which was not done in time of Muhammad PBUH is not part of Islam. Again, plz atleast try to understand (i know its hard) the difference between religion and personal acts/culture.
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You are right, it is truly hard for me to understand .... on one hand, you have the Talibs (the pure) saying that only they are the true followers and they are the enforcers of *true* Islam. OTOH, you imply, even if you do not say it, personal acts/culture can be different ....... so, which one is it?
Study Islam? How can I when all "true-believers" insist that you have to study it in Arabic, and not any other language?
(BTW, this is what the Brahmin priests used to say back in c. 500 AD about religious texts in Sanskrit, which led to Buddha winning many converts because he preached in Pali, the local language).
Please recommend a good English text, and I will be happy to peruse it.
I truly envy Europe with its "post-religious" thinking.
Anyway, I am done posting on this thread.
Poirot
Poirot:
--- Quote from: T @ r ! Q on January 23, 2009, 09:45:21 AM ---Whatever practice which was not done in time of Muhammad PBUH is not part of Islam.
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One last thing, Tariq:
By the definition you propose above, electricity, automobiles, L1/Exjade and the internet should all be un-Islamic?
Also, AK-47s?
:smiley
Poirot
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