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Gaza massacre
Kathy11:
--- Quote from: sharmin on January 23, 2009, 03:46:24 PM ---Was I fooling myself when I thought that we were a group of people who were above all of this?
\Sharmin
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Hi Sharmin :hugfriend :hugfriend
Put it mildly yes you were :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl
Basically human-being thinks we are all above "this and that", but when tested, as I have said before we more or less comes with same distingtive trait "we are all the same" It's the nature of the beast.
I was told once there are three things to avoid in discussions, to prevent aggravation, they are as follows
. Religion
.politics
.Money
Kathy
Sharmin:
Kathy,
I guess we were headed for trouble when we covered 2/3 of the 'forbidden' topics - he he he
we can't solve the world's problems but we can have a good laugh - :rotfl
Thanks Kathy,
Sharmin
Manal:
Sharmin
--- Quote ---Was I fooling myself when I thought that we were a group of people who were above all of this? That we did not care about which country we are from and how our leaders using dirty politics would prefer that we dislike one another?
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you were not my dear because at that point everyone in this thread was discussing about pure politics and goverments regimes and many were critisizng their own governments including me.
But when discussion is diverted to critising religions, this is the awful part as Andy had said.
Religion is purly a relation between man and God and no one is allowed to interfere in it. People are free to believe or not to believe but are not free to judge others beliefs and deciding that they are ''silly'' or not.
I am not supposed to defend my religion because i am not supposed to be critised for what i believe in the first place. I have been online daily for more than two and half years and it is the first time for me to read people addressing others by the catholic xyz or the muslim abc, or the sikh efg.. what should this imply. Should i treat someone differently cause i got to know his/her religion. Do we deal with people, manners,emotions or we deal with the title of the religion. Even in books that deal with the comparison of religions ( don't know the exact term for this science, you never read about anyone saying this is better than that, but they just compare the philosophy and essense behind each religion. As Jade said, religion in gereral is like a bunch of rules that you have, some people comply and others don't, that is why it is just a relation between God and man and God only is the one who will say whether you were right or wrong.
Therefore what is needed is complete respect to others thoughts and beliefs. What changed the manner of this thread was that by the end, no respect was there. It is okay to differ but it is important to have respect.
In this site, many times the majority of members wouldn't agree about someone's decision, let's say to transfuse or not, but at the end we all support and respect the decision made so it would be more important that this will be valid on biggar issues.
Through sharing many of our private, personal thoughts and anxiety and even prayers, we have built togather a kind of friendship though most of us didn't meet before. This unique friendship should have avoided hurting one another even if we don't agree about the other's point of view. This what makes the difference and this what is called RESPECT.
Anyway, please let us all remember that each and everyone of us had once prayed for the other when something was wrong or had a stressful situation. Let this prevent you from hurting the other and let this too remind you not to judge ''all'' for ''one''
Finally i would like to thank everyone here who thought of the other before typing on his keyboard and also like to thank Jade and Lena for their correct analytical views that just reveal respect
manal
Dori:
Do not confuse religion with tradition. When this whole dicussion came up about muslims and scarfs; my own sweet christian grandmother was wearing one when she left her house. When the discussion kept going on and they say a lot of bad things she let it home. It is almost two years ago she passed away from pancreas cancer, but today I showed her family pictures at a b'day party (because we do not know all the people in the pictures) and there was even one of her when she was 16 and wearing a scarf. :)
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I learn every day new things for all different kind of people and I would like to see that others would have that too
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This weeks has happend something very, very good in my country. We have a politian who is a racist (He is and I know I would be hate for this). For example (his words) 'the Quran is like mein kampf. Netherlands will be overwhelmed (tsunami) by Muslims and many more wich I can not even remember. Oh yes 'we should deport all Muslims'. Btw he is the one with the blond dyed hair.
In summer of 2008 there was a 5 sentences message about him. They reported that he went every week to the ambassade of Israel and I never forgot that report. He is the idiot who made that silly film.
To get to the point: Students of the University of Amsterdam did report the police that they were hurt by his words and that because of his words our population has been split up. I planned to join them, but through all the probs with dad I forgot to do it. (ofcourse I still can do it). The Public prosecutor has said that there was not enough evidence.
So they ask the court to say of there is enough evidence of his saying do cross the frontier of expression of view. They said it did. So there will be a lawsuit.
Sadly, we have family wo think like that. In the past I had friends who thought like they, but I dropped them. It is not worth to try to keep the friendship going and no, i could never convince them. Maybe the future they wil learn not to judge so hard and not to believe everything the media/world says.
Andy Battaglia:
Dore,
You have spoken some real words of wisdom here. We do need to learn for ourselves and not rely on media portrayals of the world. Because of my involvement with thalassemia, I have been to two officially Muslim nations. I was warned by people in my own family that they would try to kill me there. Of course, when you know sweethearts like Akka and Maako, it is very hard to take those warnings seriously and I didn't. What I have found are truly wonderful people and never anyone who wished me harm. I was embraced by Iranian shopkeepers in Dubai. I was made to feel like a native in the Maldives. This is reality but rather than keeping an open mind, many people choose to live in fear of each other and there is no reason it has to be like that. Life is so much better when you are open to the world.
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