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Title: My new born baby has possible Thal major
Post by: momofShreyas on October 29, 2008, 07:47:08 PM
Hello all,
I have read the posting from Avasmom. Mine is the same case. I had a baby on 10/10/08 and 4 days later the lab results say he is a possible Thal major. We are getting the  testing done at Children Hospital of Philadelphia. I am devastated, but more than anything, I feel I dont know much about the disease. I have read in the posting about 'port', what is that? What is genotyping, do I specifically ask for that.
Is it very risky to opt for Bone marrow transplant. Is there any hospital , that can do a fetal selection based on a HLA match, if I conceive another child, (This is my first one).
Please give me as much info as possible.

Thank
Meena
Title: Re: My new born baby has possible Thal major
Post by: nice friend on October 29, 2008, 10:18:32 PM

Yes,

Ports have to be implanted by minor surgery. It then provides an access point to which you can insert needles painlessly.

It requires some maintenance in terms of flushing it so that blood does not clot in it and bacteria does not start to cultivate and eventually enter the body.

It's not suitable for hot climates as sweat may infect it (unless you keep cool and clean)
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here is the link to read complete thread about Port ...
http://www.thalassemiapatientsandfriends.com/index.php?topic=1890.0;highlight=port

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ABOTU GENOTYPE  :

here is a thread link please check the complete thread to understand it exactly ....

Children who receive multiple transfusions may over time develop sensitivity to certain antigens in foreign blood, and may begin have reactions to them or developing antibodies to antigens in foreign blood. 

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http://www.thalassemiapatientsandfriends.com/index.php?topic=2231.0;highlight=genotype

Genotype testing entails testing to genetically find what antigens the recipient actually has, and also to determine the antigens which are absent.  This information is then used during the crossmatch process, thereby the donor and recipient are more closely matched on many levels.  This reduces the likelihood of reactions and antibody related hemolysis.  The recipient's body is likely to recognize the donor blood as it's own - because it is so closely matched.    This can also make finding a match much easier, because the blood bank will already know which antigens that the recipient has - therefore they do not need to be tested for in finding suitable donor blood.
This is the only way to protect your child from making multiple antibodies, and make the cross matching process easier.  This step can aid in preventing complications in the future.  It can also prevent transfusion reactions and antibody related hemolysis.
please check this thread as well , her is the link .
http://www.thalassemiapatientsandfriends.com/index.php?topic=1660.0;highlight=genotype+testing+sharmin

ITS SOMETHING RELATED TO BMT :

It's amazing that the father was a perfect match. I am very happy for your family. We have some other members whose children have also had BMT and some members who have gone through it themselves. It's encouraging to hear the success stories and to see the success rates climbing. In spite of the cost, BMT is becoming a more attractive option. The long term health care costs of a thalassemic will greatly outweigh the cost of BMT and aftercare, so if the cost can be worked out, it should not be an influence on the decision to have a BMT. With success rates topping 90% in Italy, there is much reason to expect higher success rates around the world. While we wait for gene therapy trials to really get moving. BMT is becoming an option that more people should explore.

I look forward to hearing reports on your son as time passes.

here is the a link below ,  please  check this link read complete thread to
understand exactly, about the BMT .
http://www.thalassemiapatientsandfriends.com/index.php?topic=2217.msg19809#msg19809


please check this post its about " Ideal age for a transplant " .
http://www.thalassemiapatientsandfriends.com/index.php?topic=304.0;highlight=bmt+90

i hope it will help you alot ...

Best Regards
Take Care
Umair

Title: Re: My new born baby has possible Thal major
Post by: Andy Battaglia on October 29, 2008, 10:51:03 PM
Hi Meena,

First thing, you are in very good hands at Philly Children's. Dr Cohen is one of the top thalassemia specialists in the world and Children's is one of the Comprehensive Care centers in the US. If it does come to it that your child needs transfusions, do talk to them about genotype matching before the first transfusions as this can help to avoid many problems down the road. Ports are used in patients whose veins are hard to find to take blood and sometimes for desferal. They are not mandatory and you should not allow yourself to be pressure into having one implanted in your child. Many doctors will push for ports to make things easy but they are not necessary in most cases and can be a source of infection and clotting. BMT is an option. There are risks including risk of death, but success rates are climbing and it is becoming safer. It is a tough decision to make but it is best to decide this before many transfusions are given as there is less chance of rejection if it is mainly only the patient's own blood circulating. Matching can be done in advance through In Vitro fertilization or in the womb with HLA matching. This is often done to find a match for a BMT.

Keep us posted on how things progress. We will help in any way that we can.
Title: Re: My new born baby has possible Thal major
Post by: Sharmin on October 30, 2008, 02:51:56 AM
Hello Meena,

I wish your little boy all the best.  I am sure that he will do great with proper treatment, I am glad that you are going to be at a good clinic.  As per some of the advice we gave Avasmom http://www.thalassemiapatientsandfriends.com/index.php?topic=2230.0

I personally would not have a port put in my child.  My 10 year old does well without one.  Your doctor may offer you genotype testing, if they do not then you should ask for it.  You should have it done soon so that the information is available if you need to transfuse him in the future.   Genotype testing is a blood test, and the turn around for results is pretty quick these days. 

Wishing you all the best - I know that the first few weeks are very difficult after your child has been diagnosed.  Let us know if we can help you in any way during this time.  We are here to guide you through your son's treatment so you are not alone.

Sharmin  :hugfriend

Sharmin
Title: Re: My new born baby has possible Thal major
Post by: avasmom on October 30, 2008, 03:02:58 AM
Hello Meena,

I wish your little boy all the best.  I am sure that he will do great with proper treatment, I am glad that you are going to be at a good clinic.  As per some of the advice we gave Avasmom http://www.thalassemiapatientsandfriends.com/index.php?topic=2230.0

I personally would not have a port put in my child.  My 10 year old does well without one.  Your doctor may offer you genotype testing, if they do not then you should ask for it.  You should have it done soon so that the information is available if you need to transfuse him in the future.   Genotype testing is a blood test, and the turn around for results is pretty quick these days. 

Wishing you all the best - I know that the first few weeks are very difficult after your child has been diagnosed.  Let us know if we can help you in any way during this time.  We are here to guide you through your son's treatment so you are not alone.

Sharmin  :hugfriend

Sharmin
Title: Re: My new born baby has possible Thal major
Post by: avasmom on October 30, 2008, 03:20:51 AM
Hi,
This is Avasmom (actually her Grandma) Ava's mom is at home.  I have read quite a bit about Thal major.  This site has been a blessing.  It is nice to know there are people you can talk too.  My granddaughter was diagnosed with Thal Major last Tuesday.  Tomorrow my Granddaughter, her mom and I are going to Childrens Memorial in Chicago for a second opinion.  No the outcome will be the same, but Andy said that Childrens is one of the best hospitals for children with Thal Major and even recommended a Dr. for us.  Thanks to Sharmains input about Genotyping and phenotyping testing before transfusions, I have put together a list of questions to ask the hemotologist tomorrow.  Ava is 2 months old and is a beautiful baby.  I have come to accept that my granddaughter has Thal Major and my daughter and i will make sure that she is compliant with everything that she has to do.  My daughter and I will know more tomorrow after our visit.  I will let you know how everything goes.  Thanks to people like Sharmain and Andy, I feel better.

I will keep your baby in my prayers along with Ava, and Look forward to speaking with you again.

Dianne
Title: Re: My new born baby has possible Thal major
Post by: nanuaru on October 30, 2008, 01:31:19 PM
Hi gmeena,
   Pl do see my reply to avasmom under heading nanuaru.Be strong and help your child to grow normally
             Keep POsting       
                                          father of  cutiepie
Title: Re: My new born baby has possible Thal major
Post by: nice friend on October 30, 2008, 01:41:06 PM
Hi Gmeena ,
here is the link below of that post which ananu has mentioned above , soo please check it ...

http://www.thalassemiapatientsandfriends.com/index.php?topic=2230.msg19914#msg19914

Take Care
Umair
Title: Re: My new born baby has possible Thal major
Post by: ocwoodmanp on January 13, 2009, 01:46:35 AM
I know I am replying late.  We just found out about this board and joined last week (I think). 

We take our 2 1/2 year old daughter to Children's Hospital of Philadelphia.  She started her transfusions in November and we are on a monthly schedule.  They have, from what we have been through, excellent care. 
Title: Re: My new born baby has possible Thal major
Post by: Dori on January 13, 2009, 11:21:31 AM
Andy (or any other member), blood transfusions do not start immediately after the thal baby is born?

I have had my (exchange) blood transfusion in 24 hours, so this difference confuse me a bit.
(But that stupid male nurse destroyed my own blood so it took 1.5 -2  years to find out what I had (pyruvate kinase deficiency))

Meena, welcome to the forum. I hope you find here the right information and do feel this as an informative home :)
Title: Re: My new born baby has possible Thal major
Post by: Andy Battaglia on January 13, 2009, 02:47:38 PM
Transfusions begin in thalassemia after the hemoglobin level has dropped. The amount of time this takes varies, as during the first 6 months, there is often enough fetal hemoglobin left to maintain a normal Hb level.
Title: Re: My new born baby has possible Thal major
Post by: ocwoodmanp on January 21, 2009, 12:38:23 AM
GMeena -
Just wanted to check in and see how you are doing.  Hope all is well.  We are due to go to Children's Hospital next week for our daughter's transfusion.  How is your son doing?  Are they monitoring him monthly?
Title: Re: My new born baby has possible Thal major
Post by: Andy Battaglia on January 22, 2009, 05:08:32 PM
Hi Meena,

Sometimes the hemoglobin drop is a result of illness, like colds or infections, but it will still require transfusions. Although they have said every three weeks, I am sure that can be modified if the post-transfusion drop in Hb is slow. If he maintains his Hb level after a transfusion, the next transfusion will not be so soon. But even if it is, there is no reason to worry. Chelation, when it starts, can remove whatever iron is built up by that point and in the meantime, I would highly recommend that you pay attention to what we advise about supplementing with antioxidants, as these can help prevent the damage that iron causes. This can make a real difference as you wait until the age when you can start chelation.

There is no reason to believe that he will need to transfuse anymore frequently than what you have been told. As I said, the Hb drop may be related to other factors and once he does begin regular transfusion, there is no reason his frequency would be more often, as long as antibody issues are avoided. Talk to your doctor about genotype matching of blood in addition to phenotype matching, as this can do much to prevent antibody reactions. This is especially important as the bulk of donor blood will be from different genetic backgrounds than your son, so the risk of antibody reaction is higher without genotype matching.
Title: Re: My new born baby has possible Thal major
Post by: Sharmin on January 22, 2009, 05:47:24 PM
Dear Meena,

My son received his first transfusion at 3 months of age.  His first few transfusions were given at a very slow rate because it is easier on the heart.  Because he was given a small transfusion his first few transfusions were given more frequently.  After than he settled nicely into a pattern of being transfused every 4 to 5 weeks until he was 8 years old.  As Andy has said - please have genotype testing because at 8 years of age my son developed the antibody and his transfusion scheduled went awry causing all sorts of problems that took us 2 years to deal with. 
 

Please keep us posted,

Sharmin
Title: Re: My new born baby has possible Thal major
Post by: ocwoodmanp on January 22, 2009, 09:31:20 PM
Hello Ocwoodmanp
We went to CHOP on 20th Jan, his Hb was very low 7.8.  They said he needs to be put on a schedule to get transfusion every 3 weeks.
WHen he began getting blood, he developed a fever after 40 ml and they stopped the transfusion and asked us to go back in 1 week to get the rest of transfusion. We are going back on 28 th. Which doc are you seeing. We are seeing Dr.Jennifer Mangino.


Andy sir,
If my son needs such frequent transfusions at  this young age, what will happen as he grows older? Will he need even more frequent transfusions.  How will  he be able to cope with it. The doctors at CHOP initially said, he will not be needing until atleast 8 months old.

I am really worried. Will he be able to take the iron overload.


Thanks
Meena

Meena -
We will actually be there on the 28th as well.  We are seeing Dr. Smith- Whitley and she has been wonderful with us.  We will, hopefully see you there.  We get there pretty early since we do everything in one day.  We live about 1 and 1/2 hours away so it is the best way for us. 
Title: Re: My new born baby has possible Thal major
Post by: Sharmin on January 23, 2009, 12:26:13 AM
Dear Meena,

Your doctor's are confusing genotype matching with HLA matching for a transplant.  Genotype matching is genetically determining what type of blood is genetically best matched for you so that cross matching blood for transfusion become easier and more accurate.  I am working on posting more information about this procedure - there are certain labs in the US that do the test.   For my son, the test was done in Calgary and then sent to Toronto for the testing. 

Sharmin
Title: Re: My new born baby has possible Thal major
Post by: Manal on January 23, 2009, 01:05:53 AM
Sharmin,i know you explained this million of times but again :huh :huh :-\,
genotyping : is looking in the DNA for your own antigenes in order to know them and therefore choose the suitable blood for these antigens so that no antibodies are formed, right ????????

So in cross matching, what are we looking for?? How does it differ from the phenotyping????
manal
Title: Re: My new born baby has possible Thal major
Post by: Sharmin on January 23, 2009, 01:41:40 AM
Hi Manal,

I can understand the confusion surrounding these tests.  I also don't know if I am doing a good job describing it therefore I will try to post some links and will probably need some input from Andy. 

Cross match - is determining the recipients blood group and Rh.  If rbc antibodies are present then the donor blood is tested against the recipient's plasma - if antibodies are present against the donors blood then agglutination will occur and the donor blood will not be a match.  This way several donors are tested against the recipients blood until a match is found (when no agglutination occurs).

Phenotype testing - testing of the recipient's red blood cells (remember red blood cells have no nucleus and no dna) to look for markers on the red blood cells.  This is best done before a patient has been transfused because once a thal major begins transfusing 2 things prevent phenotype testing 1) the marrow is suppressed and very few retics (hosts own rbcs are produced) 2) donor rbcs are present in the recipient's blood stream.  For these reason's the patient's phenotype cannot be accurately determined.  If done before transfusions start, the patient's phenotype can be known. 

Genotype testing - uses nucleated cells (those containing patient's dna) from the serum - to determine exactly what antigen's a patient has.  This is the most sophisticated and accurate method of matching donor/recipient blood.  Once a patient's genotype is known, donor blood that contains the same antigens as the patient is safe to use and blood that contains antigens that the patient does not have can be avoided.  This way the recipient is not exposed to antigens that he/she does not have - and is less likely to become alloimmunized against it (will not produce allo antibodies against it (allo against foreign blood.) constant exposure to these antigens and formation of allo antibodies can result in auto antibodies.) 

Remember the difference between genotype and phenotype.  You may have the genotype for green eyes and for brown eyes - but you may have brown eyes.    Therefore your genotype is green & brown, but your phenotype is brown.  Genotype is all of the genes that you have, whereas  Phenotype is what is expressed (what you actually see).  For this reason the genotype gives more information then the phenotype.  For example, your phenotype for blood may be A + -- however your genotype may be O+ A-, or  A+ O- or it can be A+, A+.  For more examples see below:
Phenotype   Genotype
A                     AA or A0
B                     BB or B0
AB                     AB
0                     00
I hope that this makes some sense.  I will try to find articles that explain this better than I can.  Part of the confusion is probably the fact that I am so wordy - my bad  :imsorry

Sharmin


Title: Re: My new born baby has possible Thal major
Post by: Andy Battaglia on January 23, 2009, 01:59:40 AM
All I can add is that to put it simply, genotype tells who the real person is, while phenotype tells you who that person and every person who they ever got blood from, is.

Matching the genotype is even more important when the recipient is likely from a different ethnic group than most people in that geographic area. For example, blood donated by Americans of European backgrounds may not be a good match for someone of Asian background, regardless of a phenotype match, so genotyping the blood becomes even more important. It has been recommended that local blood banks make efforts to ensure that they have a range of blood available to match all local ethnic groups for those who will require regular transfusions. It may seem like more trouble but by minimizing or possibly eliminating antibody reactions, the patients ultimately need less blood, so it is worth it to the blood banks to have genotype matching done.
Title: Re: My new born baby has possible Thal major
Post by: Manal on January 23, 2009, 02:48:03 AM
Thanks Andy :hugfriend
Thank you so much Sharmin, it is really clear now :hugfriend

But one last question, do blood banks generally do such tests on the blood packs they have or it is just enough for thm to have the blood group and the RH?? I mean if i am the recipent and i have my genotype result, is it a must to have the same test done on the blood packs found in the bank or it is enough to only have mine??

What is the protocol? To m knowlegde, banks screen donors' blood for infectios and diseases and examine the blood type and the RH only

manal

Title: Re: My new born baby has possible Thal major
Post by: Sharmin on January 23, 2009, 02:55:43 AM
Manal,

A crossmatch is always done because factors other than blood group and rh need to be known.  If any antibodies are present in the patient blood - donor blood is added to sample of patient blood to see if reaction (agglutination) occurs (this is an oversimplification.)  The genotype information takes some of the guess work out of finding a match.  Certain donors are avoided because they have antigens that the recipient does not have.  Blood banks also save time because if the donor and recipient both have certain antigens - then the blood bank does not have to avoid them or test for them. 

I guess a simpler answer would be an extensive cross match is still done after a good genotype matching donor is found  :wink

Sharmin
Title: Re: My new born baby has possible Thal major
Post by: momofShreyas on January 23, 2009, 10:42:57 PM
My doctor does not want to do Genotype testing. She says its not part of their usual thalassemia care. I have sent her the links from  here and argued, if that test does good to the patient why not do it. She says they will not do it, and the thalassemia team, along with another doctor is going to meet with me to answer my questions. But at the end of the day, they are not going to do the test. I am worried and surprised that they do not know about genotyping and do not want do the test being a comprehensive Thalassemia care center.  Even the Cooleysanemia.com has this pdf http://www.thalassemia.com/documents/thalhandbook2008.final.pdf which mentions about the importance of genotype testing.
What do I do.
Title: Re: My new born baby has possible Thal major
Post by: Sharmin on January 24, 2009, 12:12:48 AM
Dear Meena,

I understand your frustration.  I am also frustrated with doctors and centers who refuse to take this simple step that can avoid possible complications in the future.  Dr. Vichinsky told us that it is very important to have this test done.  Antibodies don't always happen - and you may be safe - but if they do it can become a nightmare.  Taking this simple step can reduce your chances of producing antibodies. 

Our family has suffered a lot in the last 2 years.  This complication may have been avoided if genotype testing had been done.  I don't wish what we have gone through on anyone and for this reason I have been urging patients to get this testing done.  Unfortunately some doctors are not open to it.  The major comprehensive thalassemia care centers are doing this for all of this patients because over time they have found antibodies can pose a lot of trouble.    Antibodies can cause rapid hemolysis, iron overload, and many other problems.  To deal with them patients need to be on steroids, increased chelation, toxic drugs and sometimes removal of the spleen. 
I don't know why doctors are not open to doing the test  ??? ???   :banghead :banghead :banghead

The five major thalassemia centers in the world work together - Oakland, NY, Toronto, Italy and UK.  Perhaps if you can get a hold of one of these centers and have them provide more information - or have your doctor speak with them it would be helpful.  I will try to get more information for you too. 

Sharmin
Title: Re: My new born baby has possible Thal major
Post by: Andy Battaglia on January 24, 2009, 01:18:40 AM
Meena,

Is this at CHOP? They are one of the Comprehensive Care centers and should be following the same guidelines. Sharmin, can you ask Oakland about this?
Title: Re: My new born baby has possible Thal major
Post by: Sharmin on January 24, 2009, 02:11:16 AM
Andy,

I will ask them. 

Sharmin
Title: Re: My new born baby has possible Thal major
Post by: Narendra on January 24, 2009, 03:02:02 AM
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I have sent her the links from  here and argued, if that test does good to the patient why not do it.

Even though our group has hands on experience with people who face thalassemia everyday, the doctors would not take us as an authentic source. Could you instead point to the Standard Care Guideline which you mention given to us by Children's Hosptial Oakland? May be they think that is authenticated document and they know that Dr. Vichinsky's document has been written after lots of research.

This is exactly, what we like getting to know what is best and I really like Sharmin's point of not letting other's go through what they have gone through.
Title: Re: My new born baby has possible Thal major
Post by: Sharmin on January 24, 2009, 03:09:07 AM
Narendra,

I looked through the document - it talks about genetic testing before beginning treatment but it does not talk about genotype testing for transfusions (as far as I can see - maybe someone else can find it...)  I will have to find another document.  Maybe I can them for it while I am in Oakland. 

Sharmin
Title: Re: My new born baby has possible Thal major
Post by: momofShreyas on January 24, 2009, 03:57:52 AM
Andy,
Yes this is at CHOP. That is what is worrying me even more. And during last transmission my son developed a fever, because of which they had to stop the transfusion. I hope no antibodies have already developed in his body.

Thanks
Meena
Title: Re: My new born baby has possible Thal major
Post by: Sharmin on January 24, 2009, 06:06:51 AM
Dear Meena,

It is unlikely that he would have developed antibodies so soon.  Do you know if they did at least a phenotype test before giving him his first transfusion?   

One of the biggest risks of transfusion are transfusion reactions - which can be reduced or prevented by proper analysis of the blood before transfusion.  Phenotype testing is helpful, but genotype testing is superior.  It is helpful to know the recipient's genetic make up so that blood products can be matched properly and the patient is not introduced to anything that can cause trouble. 

Most centers do extensive cross matching - but I don't think that is enough - my son has produced many allo antibodies over the years and this would have been prevented if he were not exposed to the antigens. 

I will be going to Oakland next month - I will try to get more information and proper documents for you.  I will also bring back names and numbers of labs that do the testing.  Our doctor actually spoke with Dr. Vichinsky on the phone which was very helpful for both of them in understanding my son's case and the course of treatment. 

Most thalassemia patients visit Oakland to do SQUID testing, even when they are seen at other centers.  You can make an appointment to see Dr. Vichinsky to get an opinion.  In the future you can meet with him once a year for a follow up.  We have chosen to do this for our son.  We have been going to Oakland since he was 5 years old for the SQUID test but we never thought to see Dr. Vichinsky - this year we made an appointment with him (because Andy suggested that we do)  and we were very pleasantly surprised. 

Sharmin
Title: Don't underestimate what you learn here
Post by: Sharmin on January 24, 2009, 08:28:06 PM
Sometimes it is very much worth researching and discussing what we learn together on this site.  Andy helped point us in a direction that even the doctors in Oakland may not have thought of if we had not taken what we learned here and spoken to them about it. 

Once we presented the information that we had been discussing with Andy - the doctors agreed and proceeded with it.  By combining two techniques - his idea may have brought about a way to alleviate if not cure AIHA.  If this treatment works for little A (I am holding my breath and afraid to jinx it - but it seems to be working) - it may become a standard of treatment and help many other children dealing with the same problems. 

Never underestimate what you learn here - and never forget to ask questions if you have them.  The answer to your question could save a life. 

Sharmin
Title: Re: My new born baby has possible Thal major
Post by: Andy Battaglia on January 24, 2009, 10:25:34 PM
Not to blow my own horn, or our own horn, but what Sharmin said is very true. Her son is a good example of what can happen when you put into practice what is learned here. I think the same can be said for Zaini and Manal and others and how well their children do because they follow good recommendations.

And I'm going to add something here that I believe is extremely important for thals but has been largely ignored. Studies have shown that those who are low in magnesium have a higher rate of gallstones. That alone is very interesting but when you put it in the context of thalassemia, a path develops. When I read about this study, I asked some questions.
What are gallstones caused by? Excess bilirubin.
What causes excess bilirubin? Hemolysis-the breakdown of red blood cells.
What is common here? Magnesium.

Magnesium depletion in RBCs causes a breakdown of the RBCs, creating bilirubin, which builds up and eventually leads to gallstones. So the question arises.
Can magnesium supplements slow down hemolysis and help to prevent gallstones? I want to know and I hope some patients will give this a try and see if their bilirubin levels change at all after magnesium supplementation. I do feel that magnesium should be taken with calcium and vitamin D, so please, do use all three.

We are breaking new ground in this group and if patients and parents are wiling to try, we will get answers to many questions. We are becoming a real force in the world of thal and I do mean we. Our community can lead and help improve life for thals around the globe.
Title: Re: My new born baby has possible Thal major
Post by: Kathy11 on January 24, 2009, 11:02:24 PM

Never underestimate what you learn here - and never forget to ask questions if you have them.  The answer to your question could save a life. 

Sharmin

Dear friends
I believe that this forum has thaught me how to manage and extended my life, I have not look back .Since I  joined  this group,it gave me strength, I have been able to ask for the required care from medical Professionals,
I have been able to get my illness under control ,
I've learnt so much about my  condition and still learning.

To top it all ,   I've met some wonderfull people that enhance my life,

 For all the above I  am full all gratitude

For me personally ,It is special and I do love everyone of my friends in my own special way.
I feel richer for it   Thank-you, to everyone for being there when I needed you the most
You know who you are no need to mention names

Kathy
Title: Re: My new born baby has possible Thal major
Post by: Dori on January 24, 2009, 11:09:31 PM


And I'm going to add something here that I believe is extremely important for thals but has been largely ignored. Studies have shown that those who are low in magnesium have a higher rate of gallstones. That alone is very interesting but when you put it in the context of thalassemia, a path develops. When I read about this study, I asked some questions.
What are gallstones caused by? Excess bilirubin.
What causes excess bilirubin? Hemolysis-the breakdown of red blood cells.
What is common here? Magnesium.

Magnesium depletion in RBCs causes a breakdown of the RBCs, creating bilirubin, which builds up and eventually leads to gallstones. So the question arises.
Can magnesium supplements slow down hemolysis and help to prevent gallstones? I want to know and I hope some patients will give this a try and see if their bilirubin levels change at all after magnesium supplementation. I do feel that magnesium should be taken with calcium and vitamin D, so please, do use all three.


Andy,
That is exactly why my galbladder was taken out at the age of 3.
I do take calcium daily (when i do not forgot it, what happens 4 days a week). I take them all the three. (I am not sure about calcium, but that is an other discussion).

Very stupid question:
They can check your billirun levels? They never do and I am sure they never will do when I ask for that. You need others for that and not only my intuition.  :wink
Title: Re: My new born baby has possible Thal major
Post by: Sharmin on January 24, 2009, 11:23:24 PM
Okay guys,

I am totally going to brag - little A's team lost 3 - 1 today - and little A had the only goal for his team.  He is scoring at least 1 or 2 goals every game.  This is the same boy who was having a hard time keeping his hg and energy up last year.  You cannot imagine the confidence it gives him to be good at something and to contribute to his team this way - thank you all so much for helping my little guy get here.  Every child with thal can reach their dreams and be their best!
 :thankyou2


Sharmin


Dore, it is possible to measure bilirubin.  You can ask your doctor for the test. 




Title: Re: My new born baby has possible Thal major
Post by: Zaini on January 25, 2009, 08:46:59 AM
A little bragging for me too  :wink

Just yesterday,my sister was laughing her head off,what happened was that my cousin ,who is a doctor,came to our place,and i was asking her about genotyping,she said it's kinds DNA analysis,i said yes i know and it's done on WBCs,she said WBCs? no RBCs!! I said but RBCs don't have a nucleaus,you must know that,and she got so embarraced and said yes i forgot.My sister said oh you can't win my sister she loves biting doctor's heads off now a days, :rotfl and she can do that beacuse she keeps searching and learning,while you doctors have stopped doing so  :wink.And this is all due to this forum. :lovethissite

About Magnesium,Little Z has also started taking Osteocare,it's kinda expensive here as it's imported from UK,but well,if it helps her stay healthy,i'll manage it somehow.

I believe one tablet is enough for her daily? because it says so on the website under the chewable ones,and the chewables and tabs have the same formula.

What is a bit strange is that the Osteocare i am getting here,it's pack is different from what is shown on site,and even the formulation isn't same,On site it says it contains Manganese,Copper,Selenium and Boron too,but the pack i got says Calcium,Magnesium,Zinc and Vitamin D only?Any thoughts?

Zaini.


Title: Re: My new born baby has possible Thal major
Post by: Sharmin on January 26, 2009, 03:03:49 AM
Zaini,

You're brilliant :) 

Let me do a little research for the Osteocare, I will get back to you.  I think that the trace minerals are a very important part of the Osteocare and are very important for bone health.  In the meantime it is great that you have started her on the Osteocare as I have heard a few people say that they have had minteral dificiencies after beginning Exjade (however I don't know if there is any connection at all or not.) 

Sharmin
Title: Re: My new born baby has possible Thal major
Post by: nice friend on January 26, 2009, 02:31:35 PM
 :agree Wat Andy has said :
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We are breaking new ground in this group and if patients and parents are wiling to try, we will get answers to many questions. We are becoming a real force in the world of thal and I do mean we. Our community can lead and help improve life for thals around the globe.

Wat Kathy has said : Same happened to me when i joined this group ...
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I believe that this forum has thaught me how to manage and extended my life, I have not look back .Since I  joined  this group,it gave me strength, I have been able to ask for the required care from medical Professionals,
I have been able to get my illness under control ,
I've learnt so much about my  condition and still learning.

To top it all ,   I've met some wonderfull people that enhance my life,

 For all the above I  am full all gratitude

For me personally ,It is special and I do love everyone of my friends in my own special way.
I feel richer for it   Thank-you, to everyone for being there when I needed you the most
You know who you are no need to mention names

Wat Sharmin has Said : this site and its members gave me as well ...
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I am totally going to brag - little A's team lost 3 - 1 today - and little A had the only goal for his team.  He is scoring at least 1 or 2 goals every game.  This is the same boy who was having a hard time keeping his hg and energy up last year.  You cannot imagine the confidence it gives him to be good at something and to contribute to his team this way - thank you all so much for helping my little guy get here.  Every child with thal can reach their dreams and be their best!

As Zaini has Said : This site taught me as well ,
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Just yesterday,my sister was laughing her head off,what happened was that my cousin ,who is a doctor,came to our place,and i was asking her about genotyping,she said it's kinds DNA analysis,i said yes i know and it's done on WBCs,she said WBCs? no RBCs!! I said but RBCs don't have a nucleaus,you must know that,and she got so embarraced and said yes i forgot.My sister said oh you can't win my sister she loves biting doctor's heads off now a days,  and she can do that beacuse she keeps searching and learning,while you doctors have stopped doing so  .And this is all due to this forum

and now i m able to give answers to anyone's concerns about thalassemia and able to tell them how to manage it ... now i can discus about my case to my doctor , now i can manage my self by the grace of ALLAH (GOD) .. now i can tell others wat kind of treatments they need at their stages (i also tell them to ask about it to your doctor before starting this treatment ). .. now my cousins , my doctor , my all other relatives all says that " chamaktay he ja rahay ho kounsi cream lagatay hoo ?? ( you're getting shiny day-by-day which cream you are using ??) "  soo that is the change thyour advices and guidence bring in my life and of-course The needles which Andy sent me , that worked alot for me . those needles increased the rate/average defseral Vials per week, it was difficult to use 9 vials in a week ( 3 pricks ) , wit that neddles i bcame able to take 12 vials per week and that show's its effects in drop in my S.Fe ... now i know wat is good and wat is bad for me that is a big change ....
 :thankyou2 Andy , :ty
 :thankyou2 All the members of this site for everything . :ty
 :thankyou2 to the entire site .
 :thankyou2  Thanx Alot ,

hey dont think that i m gonna leave you, so you can enjoy the stay on this site , i will keep annoying you All , you cant stay safe to my junk posts hahahaha ... i m always there to send out of topic messages :wink ... As i said somewhere in my previous posts under the topic story of my visit  " God set me on this site to Annoy peoples " .... i m doing my job and will never quit , bcoze i like this job .. hahhahaah

Best regards
Take care
Umair

Title: Re: My new born baby has possible Thal major
Post by: Zaini on January 26, 2009, 03:10:28 PM
Keep annoying little brother  :wink because we are so used to of you annoying us that if you won't annoy us we'll get annoyed that why aren't you annoying us? isn't that annoying ?  :rotfl :rotfl

Zaini.
Title: Re: My new born baby has possible Thal major
Post by: nice friend on January 26, 2009, 07:32:04 PM
Hi Zaini Sis ,
yeah in my presence any out sider annoy you people i cant tolerate it , and i will never let it happen ( its my job only :grin ) ...

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What is a bit strange is that the Osteocare i am getting here,it's pack is different from what is shown on site,and even the formulation isn't same,On site it says it contains Manganese,Copper,Selenium and Boron too,but the pack i got says Calcium,Magnesium,Zinc and Vitamin D only?Any thoughts?

Well , after reading this checked my OsteoCare tablet's packagin and i found that is Imported by a Local Medicine Importer Company named

Marketed By
" Acti Health Food
Paramount of Science And Nature
Karachi - Pakistan
E-Mail: actihealtfood@yahoo.com

i think acti health are the importer of this medicine ,as ICI was the importer of Ferriprox soo ICI changed the packing and gave their Symbol/logo on the FErriprox's packing. if you have any Ferriprox's packaging you can seee that .. soo i think the product is same but the importer gave their Trademark to osteocare , as they are importer and seller of Osteocare in Pakistan... i hope i make the sense ...

i m using this one osteocare 30 tabs in a pack , and vitamins and mineral details are same as mentioned here and on the packaing f my osteocare tablets .... here are the details. ..

http://www.vitabiotics.com/addtocart.aspx?ID=16
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Osteocare Original 30 Tabs
A formula to help maintain healthy bones, Osteocare® Advanced is Britain’s most popular calcium supplement, with the exact recommended daily allowance of 800mg calcium and 300mg magnesium plus vitamin D and zinc to protect bones.

Best Regards
Take Care
Umair
Title: Re: My new born baby has possible Thal major
Post by: Kathy11 on January 26, 2009, 10:32:39 PM
Hi Umair,
The Positive from your "annoyance""   :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl makes us happy because it indicate, to us, that you are full of life and kicking :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl

So you see even those little annoyance we like, we need your sense of humour, You are the best if I had to grade  you :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl,

Continue to do the same we are here to annoy each other :wink :wink
Kathy
Title: Re: My new born baby has possible Thal major
Post by: Sharmin on January 26, 2009, 11:17:20 PM
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yeah in my presence any out sider annoy you people i cant tolerate it , and i will never let it happen ( its my job only  ) ...

We wouldn't allow an outsider to annoy us Umair - you must keep up the good job that you are doing bro :)

Imagine how much energy you will have to annoy us when your ferritin is below 1000!!  I cannot wait to find out  :wink

Sharmin
Title: Re: My new born baby has possible Thal major
Post by: Zaini on January 27, 2009, 03:05:34 AM
Umair,

http://www.vitabiotics.com/osteocare/osteocare_tab_formula.aspx?ID=16&sm=9

If you look at this page,the formulation contains Manganese,Selenium,Boron and Copper too,which aren't mention on our pack.

Zaini.
Title: Re: My new born baby has possible Thal major
Post by: nice friend on January 27, 2009, 12:46:43 PM
KAthy and Sharmin ,
i assure you people that i will never quit to my job of annoying you people ... 
Kathy Thanx for the compliment that , and never think that i will left the "Feeble Heart" to go and stay safe to my junk posts :grin ( Feeble heart you said this somewhere in a thread )...  Sharimn yeah , when my Fe become's to lower than 1000 i will b more energatic and when i got more energy i will be able to post more messages and wheni will b able to post more message  then its mean that more junk post , when more junk posts then its mean hahahahahahahaha you know well ...... yeah you're right .......

@ Zaini
i have checked the link you provided , the link you mentioned is to OsteoCare Chewable , and the link that i posted was to OsteoCare Tables ( 30 Tablets pack ) ... there could b a difference between the formulation of OsteoCare Chewable and Osteocare orginal ( 30 Tablets pack ) ...
please make sure which one you are giving to  LiTtle Z ....  then please send that here ,  i also want to take a deep look over it ..i love to read all the information abt the mediicne before starting any medicine ,,,,....


Best Regards
Take Care
Umair
Title: Re: My new born baby has possible Thal major
Post by: Zaini on January 27, 2009, 12:51:27 PM
No Umair,

The link i posted is not of Osteocare chewable,it's of Osteocare tabs,Although chewables and tabs have the same formulation,so it doesn't matter.

Zaini.
Title: Re: My new born baby has possible Thal major
Post by: nice friend on January 27, 2009, 08:23:52 PM
Hi Zaini ,
yeah , you are right . Chewable and tablets both has the same formula .
it is the Link that you mentioned :
http://www.vitabiotics.com/osteocare/osteocare_tab_formula.aspx?ID=16&sm=9

and it is about wat i was talking about , i mentioned the wrong link in my second last post i wanted to mention this one :
http://www.vitabiotics.com/osteocare/osteocare_tab_formula.aspx?ID=16&sm=21

you're right that formula is same , and o the site they mentioned about Calcium, Vit-D3, Magnesium, Zinc, Manganese, Selenium, Copper And Boron .

but on the pack that we are buying , Last 4 minerals hasn't mentioned .. i don't know if it corelate to the issue we are having discussion on but i found on the packing box of my tablets just below the " Nutritional Information " ,.. here is wat i found :
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Energy, Protein, Fat, and Carbohydrate Content Negligible

(Unfortunately/forutnately wat may i say this) when i was searching on the Vitabiotics's site i came acroos onething , here it is :
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    Home > Retail Outlets > Worldwide UK I Worldwide 
   

 
Country: Pakistan 
Please note, if a particular product is not available in your country,
it can be conveniently purchased from our website. Click to shop online

 

 Products Sold
Visionace 
 
yup its mean they only supplie's " Visionace " ( one of vitabiotics's product) tto Pakistan . .ou may check the link :
http://www.vitabiotics.com/findworldstore.aspx?country=Pakistan

i dont if they haven't updated their site or pakistani retailers won't to list up their pharmacy name there on Vitabiotic's site .... i dont know wat is the realy metter is .. it is possible that Pakistani import's the other products of Vitabiotic but a big no# of business community is not very are not computer sawy so they dont know to add their names and the products that they import's in the list ...... you may see in my previos post there is an E-mail adress that is made on Yahoo . i think big companies that importe's anything, should have their own domain name and their very own E-mail adress like : info@actihealthfood.com instead of actihealtfood@yahoo.com ( which they mentioned on below there symbol on the box of Osteocare tablets that i have ) ...

Wat do you say ?? m i right  ?? or i m behaving like over confidence ...  or i said something more than need ???.... i m waitng for repsonse ....

Take care
Umair
Title: Re: My new born baby has possible Thal major
Post by: Zaini on January 28, 2009, 03:44:51 AM
There are a few products of Vitabiotics available here,so the company must be importing them,i am not sure,i'll try to search more about it.

Zaini.
Title: Re: My new born baby has possible Thal major
Post by: momofShreyas on February 18, 2009, 04:02:50 PM
Andy,
Yes this is at CHOP. That is what is worrying me even more. And during last transmission my son developed a fever, because of which they had to stop the transfusion. I hope no antibodies have already developed in his body.

Thanks
Meena


I just wanted to update on the genotype testing on my son. The doctors at CHOP said, even though they can do genotype testing, giving genotype matched blood to Shreyas for everytime is not practical. They said they do extended phenotype testing to test for anti bodies in the blood. I have contacted both New york  and oakland hospitals and they both have high praise for the doctors at CHOP and they too said they do not have genotype matching on the blood. Also just wanted to add my doctor - Dr. Jennifer Mangino is an excellent doctor who is extremely concerned about the welfare of my baby. She has gone above and beyond to make sure I understand my baby is in safe hands. I am saying this because my previous post looked like I was showing the doctor in wrong light but it is the standard protocol they are following. All the comprehensive care hospitals follow the same procedure, ( atleast NY and Oakland ) do.

Thanks
Meena

Title: Re: My new born baby has possible Thal major
Post by: ocwoodmanp on February 19, 2009, 01:45:44 AM
Meena -
We go to CHOP also and will be there on Feb 25th for our daughter's next transfusion.  They apparently have a conference in the beginning of April (lead, I believe, by Dr. Cohen) which is to update patients and their families on thalassemia.  I have been told it is excellent.  We did not have the opportunity to attend last year, but will make every effort to be there this year.  Keep your eyes and ears out for the conference - like I said, we have heard it is excellent.

Title: Re: My 3+months had her first Tx
Post by: ash786 on August 20, 2009, 10:18:22 PM
Andy
This is mother of ayesha 3+ months old , her hb level was 7.4 ,yesterday was her first transfusion.
  my daughter had a test of RH phenotype before transfuion ,  can u define what kind of test it is, i ask them for having a genotype n phenotype test before transfusion but they dont have that testing in the hospital, i told them it is important to have before transfusion but the docter said  it is not
 
regards
mother of ayesha :lovethissite
Title: Re: My new born baby has possible Thal major
Post by: ash786 on August 26, 2009, 09:41:15 PM
hello
 mom of shreyas , how are you and shreyas i know you because almost reading all the posts , hows he doing now  my daughter is also thal major and we just get know 1 month back  she had her 1st transfusion  she is 3months+  can u tell me at the time wen shreyas was 3 months what was the procedure after  transfusion , what the doc's suggested u  her hb was 7.4 before transfusion  i wana know more about  CHOPS are they giving him any kind of supplements  any information which can be usefull for my baby i dont want to miss on any thing  her next transfusion is on 9th sep.
thank you
regards
ayesha's mom
Title: Re: My new born baby has possible Thal major
Post by: Zaini on August 27, 2009, 05:20:14 AM
Hi ash,

Please check Ayesha's hb before going for transfusion,in my opinion she is quite young to get transfusions this frequently.

Zaini.