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Title: Rejection
Post by: Eponine on August 11, 2006, 04:18:43 PM

Hi
I've been quite upset with this issue for a long time. I was accepted to a overseas uni to study early this year. I had, to apply for a study visa and required a medical check up. Of course I had to declare my thalassemia, having the need for blood transfusion and all. The local doctor (recognised by the embassy of the country, not MY doctor) told me my chances of getting my visa approved is very slim. I was crushed, but still had hope. A long 3-4 months of wait and many correspondences with the country's immigaration department later, they asked my thal doctor to 'appeal' as they would reject my visa based on the information I have given them about my medical condition. My doctor did not really do a very good job of 'appealing'. Of course, by then I had already missed my intake to the uni. I was given a entry to the 2nd intake which was mid year. Another 3-4 months of wait, I received the decision. They had refused my visa because, in thier own words "require health care which would result in a significant cost in the country's community in the areas of health care and prejudiced the access of the country's citizen to health care".
I am very upset because I feel that I have been discriminated against. Is it fair to deny me of an education just because I was not given a choice to be born with this condition? I am lost. I do not know what to do right now. Should I proceed with another appeal, this time to higher people? or should I just give up and forget about this. I do not want to give up this fight because I believe this fight is for thals all over the world. But, I'm afraid that I'm not emotionally strong enough to accept the final decision or consequences.
What now?  :'(

Title: Re: Rejection
Post by: §ãJ¡Ð ساجد on August 12, 2006, 04:49:30 AM

Hi,

I would suggest you try again and tell them that they should not be concerned about your health. Tell them that you can manage your treatment like everyone else is doing in that country.

Title: Re: Rejection
Post by: Poirot on August 12, 2006, 08:42:21 AM

Quote from: Eponine on August 11, 2006, 04:18:43 PM

I am very upset because I feel that I have been discriminated against. Is it fair to deny me of an education just because I was not given a choice to be born with this condition? I am lost. I do not know what to do right now. Should I proceed with another appeal, this time to higher people? or should I just give up and forget about this. I do not want to give up this fight because I believe this fight is for thals all over the world. But, I'm afraid that I'm not emotionally strong enough to accept the final decision or consequences.
What now?  :'(

Hi Eponine,

My heart bleeds for you .... it must be so traumatic to qualify on merit, and then be told that you can not go because you have a condition that you were born with.

Unfortunately, there are no easy solutions to this one. So, you will have to consider your choices carefully.

USA is the only country in the world, that I know of, that does not ask for a medical test, when it issues you a student visa or work permit. So, for thals looking for higher education in another country, USA is really the ideal choice. However, medical costs in US are very high. So, you have to figure out in advance as to who will pay for your transfusions and medicine. Most student insurance companies will probably refuse to cover you in the first couple of years. So, you will need to find an alternative source of coverage or pay for it yourself.

Other countries, especially those with universal government health insurance cover, will refuse you a visa on the grounds that you will use their resources, while not contributing in taxes. (some refuse a visa even if you were going to contribute in taxes, as it once happened with me). It is a sorry state of affairs, but governments feel obligated to look after their own first. So, if you are still keen on going to this country, you could ask the immigration authorities if they would give you a visa, if you legally undertook to pay for all your medical costs when you are a student. When you start work, you will be covered.

I see that you live in Singapore. Does your government pay your medicals costs? If yes, would they still pay the equivalent if you went to another country and required medical care there?

I hope this is useful in helping you decide.

Poirot

Title: Re: Rejection
Post by: Ash on August 14, 2006, 02:27:48 AM

Lol you can ask Poirot, how many countries have rejected me and how many times.

It really hurts and I share you pain.

First and foremost find out if a reciprocal arrangement is in place between Singapore and the US. If there is none then find out how you will pay $800 per transfusion, this is price of New York, last time I enquired.
So the question would be can you afford that and your tuition fees and living expenses.

Secondly, please dont tell the visa officer that you have a medical problem it doesnt go too well with them. Yes it is hiding information and is considered unlawfull. But then they are not playing fair either by not giving the chance.

But then it totally depends how badly you wann go.

Dont apply for the US Visa imemdiately the situation will not change, have you tried any other country?

Title: Re: Rejection
Post by: Danielle on August 14, 2006, 07:04:54 AM

Hi Eponine,

I'm sorry to hear that you were rejected.  This really upsets me.  I would advise you to keep fighting, because this is definitely considered health discrimination, which is illegal.  You can even contact an attorney about it, and ask them for advice.  Usually they will not charge you for a consultation.

Please keep fighting for your rights as a human being.  No matter what condition/illness anyone has, everyone is entitled to a college education and anything else that healthy human beings can have.  This is completely ridiculous and angers me to the bone.

I hope you eventually get to become a student at the college you prefer.  These people should be ashamed of themselves for rejecting someone who has a genetic illness, which she cannot do anything about.  They are looking at the illness, and not the intelligent, beautiful person that merely wants a continued education that she is entitled to.  It sickens me.   :(

 :hug

Title: Re: Rejection
Post by: Ash on August 16, 2006, 04:20:27 AM

There is an appeal only in case you where applying to visit your relative. Anything else and it will just be "try again".

An attorney cannot help you in this, sorry to disapppoint you.

Daniele when you apply from another country you dont have any rights nor can you ask representation.

Title: Re: Rejection
Post by: Shikha Mitra on August 16, 2006, 09:07:49 AM

Hi
I was not aware that you needed a medical check up to study in countries other than the USA.

In the USA, no medical check up is needed for getting a student visa. But the usual students insurance given to students does not cover any pre-existing condition for one year. But subsequently, if the student insurance plan is from a good insurance agent, then one can get   lucky.
Without insurance and that means, without a job, one cannot get treated in the USA, because it is extremly expensive and private insurance will not cover such huge costs for the treatment of thalassaemia. the co-payments would be way too high.

My daughter is in the USA since the fall of 2000. . She went as a student and now she has a  good job.

She is totally covered by her company's insurance policy. But if, she didnt feel like working someday, then it would be hard for her to fund her treatmant. :smile2

She also did have a lot of trouble looking for funding for her treatmant as a student. But she was indeed very very lucky to have found the Sickle Cell Center in Greensboro, North Carolina, USA, who were willing to take up her case and pay for the TOTAL cost of the treatment, including Desferal, which came to her at her doorstep every week, all one and ready to use. She also went to school at the University of North Carolina, Greensboro. This was a special prog. of the center for people under the low income group, with blood disorders and specific to the state ( NC) only. Without their help, it would not have been possible for her to study in the USA.
Every night she searched the net for hours together to find a way out and that paid i guess.
And the sickle center of Greensboro took her in without any hassel at all. All it took her was one email to the Director of the center ( Dr. Mariette Douglas). It was unblieveable! She was like the fairy godmother out to grant all of my daughter's wishes.

And i shall be eternally grateful to her. Words cannot describe how much the center helped my daughter all through her school years.

And luckily she had got admission in Greensboro. Infact, she did get admission elsewhere in the USA, but since she was not getting insurance coverage from them, she could not take it up.

They supported her for two years, while she was doing her MS.
Now she has a job, which pays for everything.

So when I hear about the bad stuff in the USA, I can only be nothing else but GRATEFUL to that country for doing so much good for my daughter and providing her with opportunities that i could never have given her.

As I believe too much bad always lead to far far too much of good. Whatever said and done, and how much we have improved situations in India, the kind of life USA has provided her, cannot ever be denied or argued upon. It is the total acceptance by the society at large there. She did not have to hide to her colleagues or her bosses that she had thalassaemia, and she needed time in the hospitals etc. They also allowed her to work from home, when she was on the painful treatment of Interferon for a year.. They always told her that her Health was the most important factor. But that did not stop her promotions or anything. Recently she has changed her job for a better offer.


So maybe you can also try, one of these charitable institutions and try and find out a way.
And if one tries hard, there will be  a way out!

Nobody has the right to reject anyone in whatever matter( not only denying that person of an education)  on grounds of health, especially if you are born with a condition, for which you are not responsible. It is the huge cost  of the treatment which is the main culprit. I am sure if you were a diabetic or something similar, there would not have been a problem.

So it all ultimately it all boils down to that ONE FACTOR.. the COST? And what are we doing about it? Nobody seem to really care?
We just vent our anger and our frustrations here within  ourselves but we are really helpless, unless the Govt wakes up to the fact.
 Wonder how many active members of the various Thal  Associations, who can make the difference, read this site regularly?

If there is more that you would like to know, please mail me..

Hope this helps
Shikha

Title: Re: Rejection
Post by: Danielle on August 18, 2006, 01:59:56 AM

Quote from: Vazirani on August 16, 2006, 04:20:27 AM

Daniele when you apply from another country you dont have any rights nor can you ask representation.

I don't understand that.  It's still discrimination.   :huh

Title: Re: Rejection
Post by: SalD on August 18, 2006, 03:13:39 AM

Hello,

I have a sneaking suspicion that WITHIN a country that would count as discrimination, but that between countries it might count as "looking after the interests of the population".

There is a "Health and Human Rights" section of the World Health Organisation that is contactable by email: http://www.who.int/hhr/en/

I don't know whether they will be able to help or not.  I also found a website for a project being conducted in Australia called the "Genetic Discrimination Project" http://www.gdproject.org/whatisit/index.php

This project aims to study any occurrance of genetic discrimination, so it is possible they might be able to put you in touch with someone who knows about the legal aspect of your situation.

Good luck Eponine!

SalD.

Title: Re: Rejection
Post by: Eponine on November 04, 2006, 07:43:28 AM

Hi Guys

Thank you so much for all your posts and your support. I still find it very unfair, all these discrimination. I feel like a criminal, being treated like this, and yet, even a criminal deserves a second chance. We do not have that second chance. Once you have this genetic disorder you are condemned for the rest of your life?
I'm sorry for being so pessimistic here. Am going through a lot.
I want to let you guys know that I'm really glad for such a forum. Don't know what I'll do without all your support. Though I've not been here in a really long time, I know that this forum willl not run away.
Been very busy with work and the thal society stuff and trying to have a life.  :faint
Will write again soon. Too much to say too little time.  :biggrin

Title: Re: Rejection
Post by: Kathy11 on November 06, 2006, 03:15:37 AM

Hello everyone.
I am typing these few words here in the hope that some people on this website realize that discrimination , favouritism and biases is everywhere in the world and in  all of us
Take for example this web site, some people are easily recognize  and some no matter what, they are invincible.
I  feel hurt that I've been sick for weeks and no one, other than Jean whom e-mailed, bother to check on how I was doing and yet I thought I belong to a caring group,and was part of this website family.
I read this site everyday and I see people asking about others and even classified some as ace in the deck of cards that is as if the other people like me are meaningless. At I that time I felt so sad.
Remember Kindness and charity need to start among us.We are all valuable human beings, regardless or our origin , status and creed.Recognition is what all human being wants .I bet that if everyone in the world felt recognised there would not be any wars.
I dont mean to upset any one but only putting my point of view forward and vulnerability where my feelings is concern.
 Regards to all of you and thank-you to Jean.
 

Title: Re: Rejection
Post by: Manal on November 06, 2006, 03:52:38 AM

Dearst Kathy

All what you feel is really untrue. if you think a little bit without senstivity, you will find out that there is no reason for ''discrimination''. How can we discriminate and we are all the same here.  No body here want anything from the other except sharing and supporting. This was the only thing that made us togather and nothing else so why do you think like this. For example, i was away for more than a month and no body asked about me, but i didn't take it that way. Simply because usually, when someone is ill, she/he posts and updates us about his conditions or if someone is travelling he/she usually says so . Other than this we may consider the missing person to be busy or something.

Kathy you have the right to be sad from whatever you like. And our role is to apologize to you , but please NEVER ever think of dicrmination because this is totally untrue , not only for me,but for all of us. You are very dear to me and to us all and please don't be upset. It is a coincidence that we may be absent minded, busy,, not concentrating,or.......anything else but never favoring a friend more than the other.
Many times one gets very busy and just log very quickly and becomes swaped by life responsibility.So again, what you are angry from is truly not meant. You have all the right to be upset, but please don't think in this way
Again, i apologize for you and hope you are doing better now. Wish all the best and tell us what has happened to you. :flowers :flowers
Take good care   :heartpink :heartpink

Manal   :hug :hug

Title: Re: Rejection
Post by: Kathy11 on November 06, 2006, 08:25:41 AM

Thank -you Manal for your replyI feel you are missing my point any how not to worry.
What I posted was my reality and it is the way I visualize the situation.(the word untrue is your reality )and by the way I didn't meant to attack anyone in particularly.I was only speaking my mind out loud. I just wanted to be noticed like all the rest.
I t is ok ,I have voiced my opinion and I would not bother any body anymore.It's always good to say goodbye to all .right or wrong it has been a good experience getting to know you all in someway or another.We can't fix our ways if we don't acknowlegde our parts in any situations
I don't need apology I need people to care,and to be kind.
 Regardless I'm not going to post anything anymore.
THANK-you all for your  support that I received in the past, Take good care and good luck to you all
Kathy ,

Title: Re: Rejection
Post by: Manal on November 06, 2006, 11:56:27 AM

Dear Kathy

i really don't want things to end this way. Sometimes a person may visualize a certain situation( like the one we are in now) in a certain way and after talking to his friends things become more clear and this '' reality '' changes . I am sorry i really can't express what i mean in english, but my point is that things my mix up and talking to each other may fix things out. That is why friends talk, blame each other, understand each other......etc.Life is not one way,but communication and understanding each other's views makes things much better. As i told being not recognized doesn't mean what you said  even if it is reality to you. The purpose of talking is to understand others reality and to come up with the truth. There is always many realities for the same situation.

Please give yourself a chance to think and calm down and i am sure we won't say good bye to each other because you are so important person to me and to all of us. So please give it another thought and we will be waiting for you 

Take care

Manal

Title: Re: Rejection
Post by: Christine Mary on November 06, 2006, 01:25:40 PM

Dear Kathy,

You have been such a big part of this group,and such an inspiration to me and Lauryn! Please reconsider "leaving" and stand by us in the fight against Thal!!! :hug

 :bighug :flowers :heartpink :console :happyyes :heartred

Love,
Christine

Title: Re: Rejection
Post by: jzd24 on November 06, 2006, 02:28:35 PM

Kathy,
    This group is all about support. Sometimes we get busy and sick and we may not be there for people when they need us, but we are trying, and in our hearts, we feel for everyone.  You have had a really bad time lately, and I know people care about you and feel for you. Keep with us because this is our lifeline. These people have the same problems as we do. Some people are able to get better care, some have more support than others, but we all have thalassemia, and we all have sympathetic hearts.
     You are a good person, Kathy, and I know you have not had much support in your life. Please let the people on this forum help you and take their kind words to heart. We do care and I know I would miss hearing from you.
      I just got out of the hospital for severe flu and I am still not feeling very good. It is not easy having thal and we need all the support we can get.  Reconsider, and I hope to hear from you. love, Jean :bighug :heartpink

Title: Re: Rejection
Post by: Mei Ren on November 06, 2006, 02:46:35 PM

Jean is right...

Quote from: jzd24 on November 06, 2006, 02:28:35 PM

This group is all about support. Sometimes we get busy and sick and we may not be there for people when they need us, but we are trying, and in our hearts, we feel for everyone.  You have had a really bad time lately, and I know people care about you and feel for you. Keep with us because this is our lifeline. These people have the same problems as we do. Some people are able to get better care, some have more support than others, but we all have thalassemia, and we all have sympathetic hearts.

I hope you'd think again before leaving the group.  :sadno 
 :bighug
 

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Title: Re: Rejection
Post by: Ayesha on November 06, 2006, 03:13:04 PM

just a simple thing: life is so short, live it happily

:) I know it hurts when you get so close to someone and that someone doesnt really notice you when you are not around, but remember one thing, that someone will always remember u in his/her prayers, because if he doesnt realize ur absense now, then he gonna do it after some days, just wait and watch give them time, give them space and dont forget things happens where there is love :)

Take Cares, Bye
-Ayesha

Title: Re: Rejection
Post by: Andy Battaglia on November 06, 2006, 07:59:59 PM

Kathy,

Please don't feel slighted. People come and go here and quite often we don't see people for months or even years. It is unsaid, but I know many are afraid to even think about why someone isn't seen online. When I didn't see my friend Gurleen on MSN or on the group, after many months I emailed her and got no response. A couple weeks later I was contacted by Mr Feroz, who also hasn't been around recently, and he told me that Gurleen has suddenly taken ill and passed away the next day. This happened to be just days after I had emailed her. I know that often I am afraid to ask about someone out of fear that I may hear the worst. Please don't feel so slighted. People vanish for even years and then pop up again. Wax was for the most part invisible for the past two years and just recently joined our new group. Did you know that he was a very active member at our MSN group? I never heard anyone ask for him during the whole time. Ayesha was gone for months and happily she is doing ok. Lyn was gone for a couple years too, and now is back along with her sister. I am always happy to hear from people and find out how they have been, but with this type of group people come and go. Often when we don't hear from someone, it actually means they are doing quite well and haven't felt the need for support or had the time to visit. We can't make assumptions.

Kathy, I hope you will realize that a month is a short time and I did see you on the site from time to time, so I knew you were around. I did ask myself why you hadn't posted lately but I am very reluctant to pry and ask why. That is your business and I feel I'd be intruding to ask why someone hasn't posted lately. I will ask you one thing. If you are seriously ill, please try to let us know. We're not as uncaring as you may think, but we won't know that you're not doing well unless you tell us. When I don't see you on, I may assume you are busy with family and day to day life. I have also been sick with a bad cold for over three weeks, sandwiched between terrible allergies and have not given the group the attention I would like recently. I hope no one feels slighted by that but sometimes the time just isn't there when you have to deal with things in your own life.

I hope you will continue to post. I have always been very interested in your case as it is quite unusual and has proven very difficult to diagnose. I do feel the sickle gene may be causing you more trouble than doctors have acknowledged and hope that eventually you find a doctor that can figure out what the problems stem from and can give you some help dealing with it.

Everyone, please don't feel you're being ignored. Quite honestly, this group is so much better than when it was on MSN and weeks would go by with few posts and a seeming lack of interest from everyone. That made me feel quite sad at times because I knew people were counting on help they weren't getting. Our new home has been so much more active, with a wide range of participation and even though we may not be perfect, we're doing a pretty good job of attending to people's problems. If there are problems please point them out, but also be willing to help us deal with them. This is a group of people who almost universally wish they had no need for a support group, but the reality is different.

Sometimes you may have to be the one to make a little noise and say "I'm still here" but please remember you have made friends here, and as Shilpa has often told me, when it comes to friends you shouldn't have to be told all the time that they appreciate you (even if it does feel pretty good when they do  :wink ).

Title: Re: Rejection
Post by: Kathy11 on November 07, 2006, 12:26:56 AM

Hello Everyone.
I'm so so sorry for lashing out yesterday.I need you all to undestand that at times my thinking are distorted and muddled and I tend to revert to my childhood.I will not go there but it wasn't nurtured and i was not provided with the security i required then,
Having said that, it is no exuse for me to treat you all in that way,you all having been kind and so considerate towards me and still are.
right now i feel so ashame and pittyfull.
i'm loosing it and i'm frightened .yesterday morning prior to me writting the doesnt care and goodbye letter I was in the doctor surgery with a bad reation from my recent high blood pressure medication.I had laryngeal oedema and i couldn't breathe properly my chest felt constricted, and I was having spasm of fitting cough , it was bad I thought I was dying,
Lucky I live to tell you all the story.I also recently found out that the doctor took out one of my ovary without my permission and my awarness.
My ultra sound result was that my liver is enlarged with fatty infiltrations.
I am not making exuses for my behaviour although you could possible empathize with my predicament,
it is said that we always hurt the people close to us because we seems to take them for granted.
Today I seem to be thinking logically and it tells me that ,
you are all doing the best you can and again I am sorry, for my out burst and I hope it doesn't happen again,Imagine I do have these humiliating incident everynow and then and because of it, it isolate me from people of whom doesn't know what is wrong with me.
Manal don't worry about the english language its immaterial in the skim of things , you are a very nice lady and you mean well and I do appreciate your kindness.  I am the Clown(lol)
From the bottom of my heart I'm gratefull that you are all there and you took your time to be undestanding.you all are close to my heart  thank-you.
Danielle I'm so sorry for your friend
Jean and Andy you are the glue that hold us all thank-you for being the person you both are I'm so lucky I've met you in my life.
My thinking is clearer today thank god for that blessing.I believe you are all special human beings,
Love
Kathy








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Title: Re: Rejection
Post by: Manal on November 07, 2006, 01:08:06 AM

Dearest kathy  :clap :nana

You can not imagine how much i am  soooooooooooooo happy when i read your post :cheer :cheer :cheer :cheer :cheer. I was so afraid that you won't log in to read our posts to you.

Don't feel ashamed, it is just a misunderstanding but please don't ever think of favorism again even if anything happened in the future. it could be anything that is not made by intention. Feel free to blame any of us, but never think of leaving us again :mom because you are so precious to us and we all need each other. Actually when i read what you have been through i think you are a real hero. Kathy if you have anything you want to share with us even in your childhood, don''t hesitat because when we talk and discuss what is hurting us , things may change even what was considered facts may have other prespectives that one wasn't aware of.

 Anyway we will discuss it in other posts, but as of now let's celebrate this good news.
 :veil :veil :veil :friday :friday :veil :friday :martini :martini :party :party :party :party :love :love :blowkiss :blowkiss :blowkiss :blowkiss :blowkiss


Kathy wish you a speedy recovery and all the best of luck, happiness and hope

Take care :getwell :getwell :flowers :flowers

Manal           :heartpink :heartpink

Title: Re: Rejection
Post by: Ayesha on November 07, 2006, 01:40:03 AM

Kathy am angry with you, you forgot my name in that list :( I also stopped ya, didnt i :(  :wah :wah :wah :wah

am happy to see you back :)! Welcome Back!

Title: Re: Rejection
Post by: jzd24 on November 07, 2006, 04:33:45 AM

Kathy,
     So happy to hear from you again! You have been through so much - I wish and pray that you would not have so much to deal with, and so much suffering and pain. People are pushed to their limits with this disease, and it amazes me how they keep going. It amazes me how you keep going with all the challenges you face. We are with you, Kathy. Please always tell us what is going on so we can be there for you. love, Jean

Title: Re: Rejection
Post by: §ãJ¡Ð ساجد on November 07, 2006, 06:33:36 AM

Hullo there!

What do we have here?!?! This place was quiet all these days and when I was gone for a couple of days, presto!! all these posts pop up like mushrooms!

Quote from: Kathy11 on November 06, 2006, 03:15:37 AM

I see people asking about others and even classified some as ace in the deck of cards that is as if the other people like me are meaningless. At I that time I felt so sad.

Ouch!

Don't worry I read your apologetic posts.

You see, Andy is right (like always!).

I would like to clarify that; that statement was purely my opinion and had noting to do with the members or the people running this site (The admins).

We have, what, about 400 members out of which most hardly log on, many post every now and then and a few people who post not only frequently but their post are the most informative ones (I exempt myself from this category as most of my posts are useless). So these handful people come more into my attention and I always look forward to read their post. HOWEVER!!!! Each and every one of you is important as well. Let me put another example. You all are like the gems on a crown. Members like Andy, Danielle etc are the main bigger gem while the rest of are the little ones. If you take one gem away from this site (such as yourself), the whole beauty of the crown will be ruined.

So, please reconsider leaving.

Now again the above is purely my opinion and has nothing to do with all the members as a whole.

You all are very precious to this site and it will be a great loss for us if any one of us decides to leave.

I hope no one got hurt from my pathetic excuse and I love you all!!! No hard feelings please!

Take care, Peace!

Title: Re: Rejection
Post by: Mei Ren on November 07, 2006, 07:47:37 AM

No worries Kathy, apology accepted... :hug
We do understand what you may be feeling with all that stuff that's going on with you...(at least I know I do... :sadyup) We all go thru that too sometimes...especially when you think its not going any better.
Anyway, I hope & pray everything is okay with you & your health now. :pray
U Take Care... :smile2


 :heartpink

Title: Re: Rejection
Post by: Kathy11 on November 07, 2006, 08:47:58 AM

Thank-you all .
The truth is I need you all, more than you need me,I'm soooooooooooo lucky to have friends like you.
I'm paying attention to all your constructive words and heartfelt encouragement.
 you are all a big part of my everyday life and your support is worth its' weight in gold including all the riches in the world.That is because it is priceless, money can't buy this kind of support and caring,
Kathy :bighug :bighug :bighug :bighug :bighug :bighug :bighug :bighug

Title: Re: Rejection
Post by: Miaki on November 07, 2006, 12:30:19 PM

what's is going on here............

We are all aces in this deck of cards. You see a good deck of cards needs some jokers, queens , kings and whatever else is needed to play the game. We are all equal and nobody is discriminating.

Kathy.....you have been an active member to this group from early days of when I started here. You are special, loved and missed just like EVERYBODY in this big family. Some of us may be closer to others but we are all united and one.

Please stay ...I dont want to hear no nonsence that your leaving us. If you do I live in Australia remember I will come and look for you and drag you back here kicking and screaming.... :rotfl

Love to ALL Miaki xoxxo

Title: Re: Rejection
Post by: Kathy11 on November 07, 2006, 10:29:06 PM

Hi Maiki.
points taken   :wavey :wavey :wavey :wavey :wavey :wavey.
I elect my self as the joker in the deck .
nice to hear
 from you, my sentiment is just like yours where our PM loyalties lies.
He needs to listen to Australians ,address our pressing issues here at home e:g stem cells cloning,   and the global warming . I'm glad that the latest bill on cloning was passed in parliament ,looks like a little step forward :clap :clap
Maybe then there would be light at the end of our dark tunnel ,thus find a cure for all those debilitating genetic disorders.

Lauryn is the luckiest little girl around that is because she is much love ,Christine you are a fanstastic mother ,good luck on your trip I do hope you get good news and good care.
Kathy

Title: Re: Rejection
Post by: Kathy11 on November 07, 2006, 10:40:21 PM

Hi sajid.
Little brother only for you, I have elected myself as the joker :veil :veil :veil :veil :veil :veil :veil in the deck, see  no worries i've found a place and that its settled.I'm in good company and thank-you.Have a nice day that is with less needle insertion.
love Kathy

Title: Re: Rejection
Post by: Ayesha on November 08, 2006, 02:01:33 AM

am ignored by Kathy :(  :wah :wah :wah :wah :wah :wah :wah :wah :wah :wah :wah :wah :wah :wah :wah :wah :wah :wah :wah :hissyfit :hissyfit :hissyfit :hissyfit :hissyfit :hissyfit :sadyup :sadyup :sadyup :hissyfit :hissyfit :hissyfit :tantrum :tantrum :tantrum :tantrum :tantrum :tantrum

now i wont talk  :mouthshut :mouthshut :mouthshut :mouthshut :mouthshut :mouthshut :mouthshut :mouthshut

Title: Re: Rejection
Post by: Kathy11 on November 08, 2006, 07:33:04 AM

hello  Ayesha,
Exuses  me,but did you read when I said I was mentally distorted when I made these comments,
Its was a misery and humilliation for me,I am sick, :tantrum :tantrum :tantrum :tantrum :tantrum :tantrum stop  having fun my account because it could be you one of those days.I dont think its funny.I am not proud of the fact that got so vulnerable,I have apologize. now let it go Find other thing to amuse you.
Thank-you
Kathy







kathy

Title: Re: Rejection
Post by: Mei Ren on November 08, 2006, 11:58:24 AM

HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!   :crackup

Title: Re: Rejection
Post by: Ash on November 08, 2006, 12:00:08 PM

Quote from: Kathy11 on November 07, 2006, 10:29:06 PM

I elect my self as the joker in the deck .

oi, you cant take that place get off my chair

and as Andy said sometimes its just better to make a noise we really dont want to intrude. ok

Regards
Ashish

Title: Re: Rejection
Post by: Kathy11 on November 08, 2006, 12:22:30 PM

Tkank-you Vizirani,
Regards
 :five Kathy

Title: Re: Rejection
Post by: Ayesha on November 10, 2006, 05:37:47 PM

I wasnt mean to hurt you, but i guess u misunderstood me...

Bye.

Title: Re: Rejection
Post by: Eponine on November 19, 2006, 01:58:33 PM

Errr....

What the heck's going on?....  :huh

I didn't start some uproar did I?....  ???

Title: Re: Rejection
Post by: §ãJ¡Ð ساجد on November 19, 2006, 02:24:01 PM

Hi Eponine!

Relax! Everything is cool. We all just goof around with each other every now and then.  :biggrin

No worries, we all are one BIG Happy Family :grin

Take care, Peace

Title: Re: Rejection
Post by: Eponine on November 19, 2006, 02:33:04 PM

hahaha hee
Glad to hear  :clap

Title: Re: Rejection
Post by: Kathy11 on November 19, 2006, 10:28:11 PM

Hi  Eponie.
Sorry sweetie it was me  :smile :smile :smile :smile .
Love kathy