Thalassemia Patients and Friends
Discussion Forums => Working Towards a Cure => Topic started by: zahra on June 06, 2012, 11:45:41 AM
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This is part of an article published in ' The News' on June 4. Any comments from anyone who knows about this herb and how to get it would be appreciated
.Dr Seyal is a cardiologist. He has written many useful books on medicine and religion. Some of these were discussed in one of my earlier columns. Because of its importance, I am quoting his email: “As you know, I am neither a haematologist nor an oncologist, but I have always kept my eyes open to all kinds of patients coming to see me. It is now more than 30 years since I happened to have observed this herbal drug given to a cancer patient by a Hakeem. The drug did not have cytotoxic affects (effects due to treatment for cancer) but could really avert the toxic effect of the cytotoxic regime, such as hair falling out.
The need for transfusion was also reduced quite a bit. There was no discolouration of the skin and appetite remained good. I gave that drug to my patients and saw marvellous results. In 1988 the sister of my hospital receptionist suffered from Thalassemia Major and was almost at death’s door. Just for the sake of doing something, I gave her this particular drug and, surprisingly, after a few months she showed not only remarkable improvement, but tested negative for thalassemia (checked by Aga Khan Hospital). It was then that I started giving this medicine to all thalassemic patients and the results have been very encouraging – Thallasemia Minor cases becoming negative in a couple of weeks and blood transfusion requirements in Thallasemia Major cases gradually decrease.
The drug in question is Fegonia Critica, the whole flowering plant (plants collected during March and April show excellent results). This drug probably affects the stem cells besides having an immuno-supportive effect... The refined bitter alkaloid of the herb does not seem to have any influence on thalassemia or as a supportive therapy in cancer. Surprisingly, this herbal plant has shown unbelievable results in Hepatitis C patients.. .” Dr Seyal’s email address is: arseyal@gmail.com.
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This herb, also called Dhamasa has well established antioxidant and free radical scavenging properties. I would say that it would definitely have a use in thalassemia. I don't know what effect it would have on maintaining Hb, but the fact that it has been shown to have an effect on gene expression, should make it a candidate for further study. I would also be very interested in hearing from anyone who has or will use this herb over time.
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I have recently heard about Lingzhi herb which gradually decreases transfusion need and now this dhamasa. We are looking for these types of herbs which is very effective in thalasseamia major. I really want to know that anyone who is using this herb and its effects??
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I looked up Dhamasa but it appears that that is Fegonia arabica . Is it the same as Fegonia Cretica?
Fegonia cretica has turned up in Ayurvedic medicines in online searches but in combination with other herbs.
I have written to Dr Seyal . Lets see what he says. Also maybe someone in India could trace it out through an ayurvedic doctor , pharmacy,clinic?
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Can anyone in Pakistan check this out. Here's the link to the doctors website. http://arseyal.com/medicine.html
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Fegonia arabica appears to be the same as Fegonia Cretica. See http://www.ayurvedguru.com/vmchk/Ayurveda-Herbs/Dhamasa.html .
It is often used as part of herbal formulas. The scientific research into the herb is very promising. I would not hesitate to use it.
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Is there anything on availability and prices? I didn't see anything.
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hi all
i also contected this doctor through email he replied me that this disease thal major can be treated within two years of his treatment but i have to meet him at his hospital well Ian not satisfied with his reply so anybody live there in Multan or near Multan plz have some query about him
best regards
adeel
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Hi Dear Andy and all,
I have a clue from a book (Very Old) having description on Dhamasa or Fagonia Arabica.
Trying Translation. In short it's blood purifier or Anti-oxident. It eliminate blood defect.
Will write more.
Dharmesh
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Hello,
There are so many types of Cactus. As per the book(Doctor of Hindustan/India or Aryabhishak.) mainly 4 types of cactus are explained. All these are more or less Anti-oxident.
One of them is Prickly pear, As per the book, the fruit of Prickly pear is accurately eliminate the spleen. It is required to be taken after practice.
Some ideas about this Cactus can be taken from Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opuntia
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that remembers me at my childhood days.
in that time (before 40 years) a herb-doctor
give my parents the advice to put one
special kaktus for some time EVERY day
at the left side of my belly to reduse the
size of my spleen.
can u imagine that picture.....
little panos and the big kaktus.
my parent never did this to me....but i have to
smile now....when i read it here.
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Hi baal,
Andy has told me about your own developed chelation therapy. Bravo and Congratulations for it and i think that your iron level are under control.
What exactly i want to say is that
in case of this Cactus the fruit have to be eaten with great experience. Let me clarify that i haven't tried it. But it is written in the book which is Great book of "Aaurved" published in 1957.
The wordings are " it eliminate" the spleen means it reduce the size of the spleen mean reduction of hemolysis caused by it? Right or Wrong? It' s just a logic of my based on the interpretation by me.
Bye the way you was prescribed Cactus therapy for spleen? so i want to ask whether u r from India?
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Hi Dear All,
On Prickly Pear or opuntia dilenay.
The syrup of fruit of Prickly Pear is available in india or even in my city, to the extent i believe.
I haven't meet any patient taking the same. Dont know about the effect of syrup instead of the original fruit.
Dharmesh
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Aslam-o-Alakum .... i also read this article......but pls let me know what is its local name........ as i checked in pakistan and told all the apperance which is mentioned in the articel....but i got the reply that ...herb of this name is available ...but its not looks like which i told as per articel................so pls let me know the local name...thx
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Hi Mumtaz,
The local name is Dhamaso (Javaso) and latin name is Fagonia Arabica.
There are two-three types of Dhamasa and it might be the reason that what u found out do not look like what is said as per article.
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More on Dhamasa. http://healthymanners.com/category/stress/
Benefits of Fagonia Arabica:
It is the best blood purifier and decomposes blood clots to save from heart problems.
Prevents and treats Cancers.
Can be used for cooling effect.
Treats all types of hepatitis.
Strengthens liver and prevents/cures liver cancer.
Improves heart and mental ability.
Helpful in treatment of body pains.
Cures allergies.
Heals pimples and other dermatology problems.
Strengthens stomach.
It alleviates symptoms like vomiting, thirst and burning sensation, etc.
It increases the physical strength and weight of the week and under weight people.
Helpful in controlling weight for bulky persons.
Cures mouth & gum disorders.
Normalizes blood pressure disorders.
Treats asthma & breathing difficulty.
Helps recovering from smoking side-effects.
Hot infusion of Fagonia Arabica is given to prevent small pox.
It increases urination and hence overhauls the kidneys and urination system.
It is applied over neck stiffness.
Being spermatogenic, improves sperm count in semen and helps normalizing the male and female reproductive systems.
Perfectly controls Leucorrhoea (لیکوریا) disorders in women.
Perfectly cures Atthra (اٹھرا), an incurable (in Allopathic) female disease, in which blue or black spots appear in various parts of body skin.
Atthra: Miscarriage, birth of dead child or immediate death of infant soon after delivery because of green or yellow color diarrhea or loose motions is caused by this horrible disease called ATTHRA. Some babies die before birth in the ovary. Some women only give birth to girl babies or only girls survive but boys expire after birth. Further some women experience stomach and liver disorder because of ATTHRA. They get weak and feel irregular heart’s beat and breathe disorder.
Such women cannot bear normal pregnancy. Most pregnancies end with abortion and if not aborted, the infant will die.
As an antioxidant, helps reducing stress.
…..and the list of benefits goes on.
How to use?
Just use 5-10 leaves, after grinding, twice a day immediately after meals for two weeks.
You can also use whole green part of its branches inclusive of thorns, woods, leaves, fruits and flowers combined after grinding them in water. Just a cup or a half of semi-filtered juice, is enough to take after meals twice a day.
You can mash and grind the leaves or green branches of Fagonia Arabica like thick paste and then can convert them in shape of tablets in the size of a chickpea (چنا). Just swallow two tablets with morning/evening meals.
If it is not available in green form, you can get it in dried form from the stores in the market. Just grind them all and fill the powder in full sized capsules. Take 1-2 two capsules immediately after meals, twice a day.
The women suffering from Atthra disease will continue it in all nine months pregnancy to get healthy child.
It has given great positive, curing results when it was used as liquid for just two weeks.
Note: Never swallow it when your stomach is empty but take it during your food or immediately after finishing your food, otherwise, it may result in some gastric problem.
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Hi,
I have started eating the red color fruits of this cactus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opuntia
And have seen mild improvements in RBCs (Pre transfusion) and requirement of blood
Mostly my Rbc remained below 3.0 mil/cu.mm before transfusion..
Last two time it was 3.44 mil/cu.mm and 3.48 mil/cu.mm
I have combined wheat grass tablets with it..
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Any updates on Foeginia Crticia treatment? Does it actually helps?
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In India Fagonia Cretica also known as Dhammassa or Dhanvyas is available at Mumbai at below address:
Chandra Ayurved Bhavan Private Limited (Estd.1967)
Mr. Ajit (Proprietor)
Thane, Maharashtra, India
+(91)-9820009900
http://trade.indiamart.com/details.mp?offer=1227724862
Price Rs. 92/kg, Rs 12/100gm.
More eye catching results of Fagonia Cretica on Thalassemia Major is given on dr sayal site http://arseyal.com/medicine.html
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Has anyone actually tried Dhamasa and can share the benefits?? if we go by anything mentioned by Dr. A.R. Seyal Dhamasa has potential to cure Thal.
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hello,
I just ordered some Dhamasa Powder - Fagonia arabica. here's the link: https://www.herbalveda.co.uk/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=30238
It should arrive in about a week and I eager to start taking it.
I will keep you updated with results.
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Also, a very Interesting research paper called 'Can We Really Treat Thalassemia Major?' was published by Dr. R.A. Seyal investigating the impact of Fagonia cretica on Beta-thalassemia patients.
DEFINITELY worth a look! Here's a link:
http://www.paspk.org/proceedings/50,%20No.4/e3475f88Can%20We%20Really%20Treat%20Thalassemia%20Major.pdf
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This is interesting timing, as we have just had a parent from Pakistan post in one of our Facebook groups.
I am also meet Dr.Seyal treatment for my son he is thalassemia major patient after using his medicine my son health is very improved and blood transfer days are increased
We will be very interested in any improvement you may note.
I feel that one thing missing in modern medicine is questioning of how did people manage various illnesses throughout the ages. There are many herbs with a long history of beneficial use and modern medicine needs to take a closer look, but frankly almost the only time researchers do is when they believe they may be able to turn an herb into a new "medicine" and charge and arm and a leg for it. There are many plants that can help raise hemoglobin levels. We need far more investigation into these herbal remedies. I encourage patients to try these time honored treatments and learn for themselves the various ways they can be of benefit.
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IF ANYBODY USING THIS HERBS. PLESE TELL ME HOW GETTING THIS? PRICE ALSO HOW MUCH? I WANT TO GIVE MY SON, WHO IS THAL. INTERMEDIA. HELP PLESE.
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You can find contact info at http://arseyal.com/contact_us.html