Gaza massacre

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Re: Gaza massacre
« Reply #75 on: January 09, 2009, 06:59:25 PM »
Sharmin  :hugfriend nothing more to say.

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Re: Gaza massacre
« Reply #76 on: January 09, 2009, 07:40:46 PM »
yeah they really did.

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Re: Gaza massacre
« Reply #77 on: January 09, 2009, 08:23:31 PM »
Isn't it ironic, the government is supposed to be for the people.  It is in place to ensure order and justice.  At the end of the day the people end up being nothing but pawns and the governments continue committing crime and injustice.  The very people that are supposed to be protected are being hurt.

 
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« Reply #78 on: January 10, 2009, 01:28:05 AM »
Isn't it ironic, the government is supposed to be for the people.  It is in place to ensure order and justice.  At the end of the day the people end up being nothing but pawns and the governments continue committing crime and injustice.  The very people that are supposed to be protected are being hurt.

 

Well This is true.  When some persons get the taste of power, they will never let it go, so they manipulate and that's how the people become pawns.  The deaths of these people mean nothing to them as long as they get the power.  Unfortunately, whether it be kings in the medieval times or governments nowadays, the struggle for power is still the same with the same consequences and the people pay the highest price.


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Re: Gaza massacre
« Reply #79 on: January 15, 2009, 03:45:00 PM »
Israel shelled the United Nations headquarters in the Gaza Strip on Thursday, engulfing the compound and the main warehouse in fire and destroying thousands of pounds of food and humanitarian supplies intended for Palestinian refugees.

There is nothing about the actions of Israel that can be excused. This is just a continuation of their expansion. Lives mean nothing to them, not even the lives of those living in Israel. Their own citizens are pawns as the expansion goes on and the people of Gaza are the current victims. The Arab world should remember the wisdom of this old phrase, "United we stand, Divided we fall" as Israel's strategy of taking down one at a time proceeds.
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Re: Gaza massacre
« Reply #80 on: January 15, 2009, 05:14:01 PM »
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"United we stand, Divided we fall"

Exactly. I wonder why people like you and me understand this but not the people to which this really matters



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Re: Gaza massacre
« Reply #81 on: January 15, 2009, 05:42:46 PM »
Most of the muslim countries have puppet regimes , or the dictators who are afraid they might loose their thrones if they say anything against Israel,or US,a kuwaiti parliment member very correctly said today that we should transfer offices of Arab League to Venezuela as we are doing nothing,At least they have the courage to break off diplomatic relations with Isarael. This is all disgusting,children are dieing,getting burnt,this is a catastrophe ,and world leaders are just sitting back, and doing nothing. Israel is using white phosphorus which is known to burn flesh  down to the bones.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-1k9Y7fcfs&feature=related
CNN has confirmed it.

Why isn't israel the terrorist now? Why aren't they extremists? Aren't they going to extreme enough? Or blood of Palestinians is so cheap that they are being used as lab rats to test American weapons?
I wish i could gather people from whole world and march towards Gaza.

I am sorry i didn't want to offend anyone,but i can't take any more pictures of children's dead bodies,burnt and mutilated.

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Re: Gaza massacre
« Reply #82 on: January 15, 2009, 07:14:58 PM »

 A question to all our Arab friends:

 Are the Palestinians trully  liked among the Arabs?
And I mean the everyday Arab people.
And the reason I am asking this question is that I came to know that some Arab countries have closed their borders to Palestinians while others have made entrance to their countries difficult enough. Not today,when this massacre happens, but long since.I do not know if this is true,is it? And if it is, why does this happen?What are these countries afraid of?

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Re: Gaza massacre
« Reply #83 on: January 15, 2009, 08:05:38 PM »
it seems like there are no LaWs for israel and israel dont care for any LAW .. its looks like hte world is hostile by israel and no LAW Applie's on Isreal , its disgusting and realy condemnable situation ...


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Sometimes , He breaks our heart to make us whole.
Sometimes , He sends us pain so we can be stronger.
Sometimes , He sends us failure so we can be humble.
Sometimes , He sends us illness so we can take better care of our selves.
Sometimes , He takes everything away from us so we can learn the value of everything we have.

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« Reply #84 on: January 15, 2009, 10:25:04 PM »
Hi everyone.
I hope that, as you watch what is happening in Gaza, does not reduce your faith in Humanity,

I know its hard to envisage such atrocities in our lifetime.when I thought we left those kind of troubles behind,in the dark ages.
I wonder down the road, whom is going to take the responsibility .

It appears  as if everyone in the Arab nations is so complaicent,  they, just stood there, and allowed The Israelis to kill indiscriminately, Shame   shame :mad :mad :mad :mad :mad :mad :mad

I ,myself, are lost for words I dont know why?????????????????.And I feel I can't do a thing to prevent it happen,Perhaps give assistance like donations and Yes, I will not buy any product from Israel that is if I can help it.
And it really get me angry when I see others living without a care while People are getting kill like rats.

WE ARE ALL LOSING OUR SENSE OF RESPONSIBILITY towards our fellow human Beings '
This is my thought and I currently Praying for the war to stop I hope you all join me in doing so that is alll we posibly can do right now.


Have hope.
Kathy


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Re: Gaza massacre
« Reply #85 on: January 15, 2009, 10:31:52 PM »
Dear Zaini,
Learn not to apologise for your feelings  you have the right to think and feel independantly.I proud of you, :hugfriend :hugfriend :hugfriend

Tell little Z, I'm so proud of her and I hope she gets better with her new medication.
Kathy

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Re: Gaza massacre
« Reply #86 on: January 16, 2009, 03:12:28 AM »
Lena,

I am not Arab,so i can't answer your question,the truth is,if you know the truth essence of islam,not the mutilated version media presents,islam is above any regionality ,Islam tells us to be muslims,not arabs or non arabs,so in a way the responsibility comes on every muslim.

I am sorry we muslims aren't portraying true islam now a days.

Kathy,

Thank you, Your words are very comforting as always.

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I will not buy any product from Israel that is if I can help it.

Yes,it will definitely help,if every person in the world,who thinks that what ever Israel is doing is wrong,stops using their products,it will help.

Thanks for your wishes  :hugfriend.

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« Reply #87 on: January 16, 2009, 02:08:11 PM »
A few hours ago I return from Amsterdam. I spend the night by family and nobody talked about this new war during dinner. We only talked about silly films. After dinner I had to watch a silly film. When it finished they all left the room and I was the only one who watched the journal.
I mean this is exactly the same situation about the rest of my country. Government ignores it, thanks not the party which I support. Ok. the muslim community at some schools in Amsterdam took three minutes silence for all the victims. They wanted to do it nationally, but some people are deaf.

Actually, I am very angry that they attacked several building of the UN and the press. I just heard they attacked HOSPITALS!!!!  :o
Why on earth would you attack hospitals?  ??? A few days ago I saw ambulances with shot holes...

Btw the Dutch news has showed the press from Israel and Al Jazeera (censored, becauce you can not show everything). Israel shows only their own troops and "desert". The point is that Israel does not show anything of the war.

I know it is not my best written post, but I wanted to let you know what the Dutchies see and think.

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Re: Gaza massacre
« Reply #88 on: January 16, 2009, 05:47:12 PM »
Dear Zaini, you couldn't possibly offend anyone.  What is happening in this war on children is beyond offensive. 
It is unthinkeable what is going on in Gaza - and Isreal's disregard for human life is despicable. 
At the very least I am pleased to report that more and more people are able to see this for what it is.  Most Canadians
are strongly against what is happening in Gaza because people have access to the internet and they are able to see different viewpoints.  Because people have more information available to them they better able to see through the propaganda.  Most people here condemn the acts being committed by Isreal, however I only wish that someone with power would actually do something about it.  People who are informed and care about what is happening - don't have power to change anything.  As you can see, Isreal has no respect for what the UN has to say.   Isreal continues to use the same excuse - that the Hammas are using innocent children as their human shields - by hiding in schools and hospitals to launch rockets - and that the children are being killed in retaliation.  I think that we have all had it with this excuse to mercilessly kill civilians, especially children.  Isreal is responsible for the deaths of the Gazan children - and for the Isreali children who will pay with their lives for years to come as an aftermath of this. 

It sickens me that no one is able to stop Isreal.  How do people see the disturbing pictures of children in Gaza and then tuck their children in to sleep at night?? 
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Re: Gaza massacre
« Reply #89 on: January 16, 2009, 06:00:46 PM »
http://www.alternet.org/audits/120197/

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Gaza is an immense concentration camp -- 1.5 million people squeezed into 140 square miles hemmed in on all sides by 25-foot-high walls separated by a vast expanse of bulldozed earth. The 2005 "pull-out" left Gaza still controlled by Israel from air and sea, its entries and exits prisonlike mazes electronically controlled and under constant surveillance. Bombing it, assaulting it with tanks and Uzis, is like shooting animals in a pen. The claptrap about "pinpoint" accuracy and "avoiding civilians" is a lie so flagrant, so transparent, that any child -- certainly any Gaza child -- could grasp it.

There have been eight military assaults on Gaza since 2004; blockades started in 2005, and then a siege of medieval proportions in 2006, punishment for Gazans' having elected the wrong party for Israel and its U.S. patron. By December 2008, Richard Falk, special rapporteur on the Occupied Territories for the United Nations, reported an overall Gaza malnutrition rate of 75 percent, a childhood anemia rate of 46 percent and a devastated infrastructure.  (For more, see Richard Falk's "Understanding the Gaza Catastrophe.")

This latest war -- called Operation Cast Lead -- is the "holocaust" promised by Israel's Deputy Defense Minister Matan Vilnai last spring when he said Israel would create a shoa if Qassem rockets kept dropping on Israeli towns like Sderot. Shoa, Hebrew for holocaust, is a serious word denoting the extermination of an entire people. Vilnai embarrassed the Israeli government, and no official has used the term since.

But since Dec. 27, Israel has bombed Gaza's government buildings, universities, mosques, schools, medical clinics. It is impossible to keep pace with the death and injury toll, which rises as I write: on Jan. 13, the Israeli human rights organization B'tselem reported 900 Palestinians killed, with more than 4,200 injured. The Israeli toll: three civilians and seven soldiers killed, more than 82 civilians and 61 soldiers injured. As for Israeli civilians killed by rockets, the Israel Project lists 25 dead during the past seven years.

On the broadcast program Democracy Now, a Norwegian doctor, Mads Gilbert, who had just returned from Gaza to Denmark, told host Amy Goodman that "90 percent of those killed are civilians." Gilbert reported 971 dead, of whom 1 in 3 is a child under 18. He has worked in Gaza for years and was there for the first weeks of Israel's assault.

The Times of London, Human Rights Watch and B'tselem all report the illegal use of white phosphorous to strike civilians. When white phosphorous adheres to flesh, its flames continue to burn for five to 10 minutes, often penetrating to the bone.

Gilbert and other experts think Israel is also using a new weapon called dense inert metal explosive. It was developed by the United States to create lethal, powerful blasts within small areas. DIME inflicts wounds never before seen by surgeons in Gaza. According to Gilbert, conventional shrapnel damages limbs and other body parts as if they'd been cut by a huge knife. DIME, on the other hand, leaves "no signs of shrapnel," but rather "small pieces of some kind of substance" (DIME is made of nickel and cobalt). It crushes "the whole limb," not just part, with "multiple severe fractures, muscles split from bones." Some classify DIME weapons as nuclear because they are based on a fusion process. (Democracy Now, Jan. 14.)
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"Take some kittens … in a box. Seal up the box, then jump on it with all your weight and might, until you feel their little bones crunching, and you hear the last muffled little mew," a surgeon named Jamal tells Italian writer Vittorio Arigoni. Bloodstained boxes are fetched; Jamal opens one. It contains "amputated limbs, legs and arms, some from the knee down, others with the entire femur attached . . . from the injured at the Al Fakhura United Nations school in Jabalia, which resulted in more than 50 casualties."

Jamal says, "Israel trapped hundreds of civilians inside a school as if in a box, including many children, and then crushed them with all the might of its bombs. What were the world's reactions? Almost nothing. We would have been better off as animals rather than Palestinians. We would have been more protected."
Arigoni also described the account, by ophthalmologist Dr. Abdel, of strange and terrible wounds he'd never seen before: "Dr. Abdel told me that at Al Shifa hospital, they don't have the medical and military competence to say for sure whether the wounds they examined on certain corpses were indeed provoked by white phosphorous bullets. But on his word, in 20 years on the job, he had never seen casualties like those now being carried into the ward."

These included "traumas to the skull, with fractures to ... the jaw … cheekbones, tear duct, nasal and palatine bones [all showing] signs of the collision of an immense force against the victim's face. What he finds inexplicable is the total lack of eyeballs, which ought to leave a trace somewhere within the skull, even in the case of such violent impact. Instead, we see Palestinian corpses coming into the hospitals without eyes at all, as if someone had removed them surgically before handing them over to the coroner."

Since no international observers are allowed in, judgment about the weapons inflicting such trauma will depend on further reports from Gaza, and corroboration from experts like Gilbert. (Arigoni is an international who reached Gaza by boat during the siege. His report was sent to e-mail lists Jan. 9.)
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The Israel of Operation Cast Lead is still the Israel of Plan Dalet, under which 750,000 Arabs were expelled from Palestine in 1948. It is the Israel of massacres under Menachem Begin and Yitzhak Shamir on April, 9, 1948, at Deir Yassin; of the Phalangist massacre of 1,500 Palestinians in the Beirut refugee camps Sabra and Shatila, overseen by Defense Minister Ariel Sharon. Held "personally responsible" and cashiered from his post, he later rose to prime minister to resume his malignant policies in the West Bank and Gaza. The late Israeli writer Tanya Reinhardt predicted in 2002 that Israel was starting to finish what it began in 1948. This 60-year-long legacy rages on in Gaza under Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, Minister of Defense Ehud Barak and Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni to the applause of a vengeful Israeli public (see Jan. 13 story in the New York Times.)

Operation Cast Lead is one of the great war crimes of our era. It was planned six to 18 months in advance, according to journalist Jonathan Cook. The war design "required directing artillery fire and air strikes at civilian neighborhoods from which rockets were fired, despite being a violation of international law. Legal advisers, Barak noted, were seeking ways to avoid such prohibitions, presumably in the hope the international community would turn a blind eye."

Operation Cast Lead fulfills at least three of the points under Article 2 in the Convention on Genocide: (a) Killing members of the group; (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part.

So to President-elect Barack Obama in his silence; to our senators and representatives who obediently parrot American Israel Public Affairs Committee's lines, forgiving the occupier and blaming the occupied, I'd address European Parliament member Luisa Morgantini's closing words in her open letter to European leaders:

    "Israel has a right to exist as a normal state, a state for its citizens, along the 1967 borders, much wider than those of the partition plan passed by the United Nations in 1947. But I would have liked to hear your outrage and your humanity, and to hear you shouting for the pain of so many deaths and so much destruction, for such arrogance, for so much inhumanity, for so many violations of international and humanitarian law. ...

    "My God, what a terrible world we live in!"

What can I add other than, how can anyone on earth support this?
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