Mumbai Bomb Blast

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Re: Mumbai Bomb Blast
« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2006, 02:57:55 PM »
Poirot! your comments are conflicting with the basic netiquettes that I have recently posted in the Announcements. (Although they should have been posted as sticky topic from day one)

You are one of the most valuable members of the site and everyone looks forward to your posts.

I know you are upset, but please be positive and try to stay on the right path.

Therefore I would not recommend the Admins to ban you or anything, but please be careful as your comments have hurt me as a believer of religious faiths.
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Re: Mumbai Bomb Blast
« Reply #16 on: July 12, 2006, 03:18:59 PM »
 
When I heard the news of this tragic incident - automatically my mind went to Ashish and his loved ones, Poirot and Sajid. I'm thankfull that you guys are safe and well. I think it might go without saying that all you boyz are special to all of us. Good to see your all safe.

I do feel for all those who have lost their lives to this tragic and senseless act. May their souls rest in peace. To the injured - may their wounds be minor and a speedy recovery.

Politics and Religion never mix well. May they catch these ........................... who did this and may they be punished accordingly.

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Re: Mumbai Bomb Blast
« Reply #17 on: July 12, 2006, 05:32:36 PM »
OK. This topic is appropriate under general chatter but some of the posts are out of line.

Please, let's keep the hatred out! We have members from countires everywhere with many different beliefs. But as far as I know, none are responsible in any way for this tragedy. Please keep some perspective. Face it, many governments are involved in terrorism, including my own self-righteous, geneva convention flouting government. But we don't have to be at each other's throats about these things. Please keep the talks civil and the language appropriate. If it is needed I will be deleting posts that cross the boundaries of common sense and decency.

I know I'm the group's "big brother" so don't make me send anyone to the corner.
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Re: Mumbai Bomb Blast
« Reply #18 on: July 12, 2006, 06:27:45 PM »
You know Andy... actually we are so angry and hurt about yesterdays events that, maybe Piorot got a bit carried away.. but when one is actually in Mumbai, one can really feel the impact of such a horror. We are just watching the TV channels and after some time it is horrible to watch more, so you can imagine what people in Mumbai are going through.

This is not the first time this has happned. One is reminded of the  1993 serial bomb blast when thousands were killed. And it has been proved that Dawood Ibrahim, the notorious underworld don masterminded the killings. And one cannot deny, that he is now under the shelter of the  pakistan govt
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One 9/11 has shaken up all of USA, where a couple of thousand lost their lives....but here in this part of the world, we see acts of terror almost everyday in Kashmir or else where were hundreds are getting killed. And for what? Why are thousands of innocent people getting killed?

This is a "General Chatter " forum and I think it is a good way to get away from the trials of Thalassaemia and do some good discussions without hurting anyone. But at the same time, todays young generation both in India and Pakistan need to be aware, where we are heading, in the name of the partition, which  happend more than 50 years ago...

And by the way Maiki... Sajid is safe in Pakistan.. the blast was in India  :smile2

Shikha Mitra


 
« Last Edit: July 12, 2006, 06:34:22 PM by Shikha Mitra »

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Re: Mumbai Bomb Blast
« Reply #19 on: July 12, 2006, 06:36:57 PM »
Shikha,
I understand how upset everyone is. I, myself, am also very upset by these acts. As you know, I've been to India and love the country and its people. However, some of the comments made have been out of line and other members have complained privately to me about them. I am asking that we all remain civil. I have many, many friends in Pakistan and see no reason why they should be made to feel bad about this. Not a single Pakistani I know, nor any muslim I know has ever spoke out in favor of these horrible acts. In fact, they are as horrified as the rest of us by this type of action and have expressed those sentiments to me for years.

Talking about this subject can be accomplished without disrupting this forum. Please respect each other, everyone.

Please everyone, keep in mind that no matter how stupid some people or governments may be, it is not us, the members of this group who do or support these things.
« Last Edit: July 13, 2006, 12:38:45 PM by Andy »
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Re: Mumbai Bomb Blast
« Reply #20 on: July 12, 2006, 07:02:35 PM »
Everyone,

This is a support group, where we are supposed to comfort each other and derive succour. So, please let us all calm down, even though emotions are really fraught right now. We all may have a lot to say, but not everything can be said, especially if controversial and inflammatory.    There is a time and place to take action. The thalassaemia site is not the place.   

There is no harm in posting on any topic out here as long as, the main aim remains to comfort and, does not become an attack.   

Please let us not make irresponsible comments on which members we should ban. No member has the right to decide. Let noone take upon himself to be the overeager enforcer of the site, when we are all here to help not judge. Let each one practice self-restraint, avoid getting personal, and just show respect for all. 


Thanking you all,
 for maintaining the harmony.

Regards,
Shilpa.

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Re: Mumbai Bomb Blast
« Reply #21 on: July 12, 2006, 07:30:31 PM »
This is such a horrible tragedy, and we are seeing more and more of this as time goes by.  It breaks my heart that this is what the world has come to.  There is not a moments peace in the world today.  There is always something, and innocent people are always being killed. :(

I'd just like to say that I hope all our members in that area are safe, and I'll have to agree with several posters that opinions about religion and politics should be kept clean.  We do not support attacking any members for their beliefs, or flaming in any way.  We are all friends here, and while Andy and I support and encourage everyone to voice their opinions, we also expect peace amongst us all.   :smileblue

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God bless those who are victims of this tragedy, and may their family and friends find peace throughout this horrible ordeal.   :sadyup

Re: Mumbai Bomb Blast
« Reply #22 on: July 13, 2006, 11:38:17 AM »
SUNDAY BLOODY SUNDAY sung by U2.
I was chatting to Andy, and I wrote I can't believe the news today..and then this song came to my mind..


Also SUNDAY = SABBATH...Therefore SABBATH BLOODY SABBATH

SABBATH BLOODY SABBATH - Sung by BLACK SABBATH


You've seen life through distorted eyes
You know you had to learn
The execution of your mind
You really had to turn
The race is run the book is read
The end begins to show
The truth is out, the lies are old
But you don't want to know

Nobody will ever let you know
When you ask the reasons why
They just tell you that you're on your own
Fill your head all full of lies

The people who have crippled you
You want to see them burn
The gates of life have closed on you
And now there's just no return
You're wishing that the hands of doom
Could take your mind away
And you don't care if you don't see again
The light of day

Nobody will ever let you know
When you ask the reasons why
They just tell you that you're on your own
Fill your head all full of lies

Where can you run to
What more can you do
No more tomorrow
Life is killing you
Dreams turn to nightmares
Heaven turns to hell
Burned out confusion
Nothing more to tell

Everything around you
What's it coming to
God knows as your dog knows
Bog blast all of you
Sabbath bloody sabbath
Nothing more to do
Living just for dying
Dying just for you


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Re: Mumbai Bomb Blast
« Reply #23 on: July 14, 2006, 05:33:30 AM »

The people who have crippled you
You want to see them burn
The gates of life have closed on you
And now there's just no return
You're wishing that the hands of doom
Could take your mind away
And you don't care if you don't see again
The light of day


Thanks, Aston, for that song .... There are lots of families in Mumbai who will agree with the above. So many young people killed on bloody tuesday, as they returned from work, leaving behind young wifes, aged parents and new born babies ........ I know of two such families personally.

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Re: Mumbai Bomb Blast
« Reply #24 on: July 14, 2006, 05:35:41 AM »
I was at my transfusion centre yesteday, and fortunately no one at this centre was affected. There were two technicians from our centre on one of the ill-fated trains, but luckily they were in different compartment (coach), so they were not affected.

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Re: Mumbai Bomb Blast
« Reply #25 on: July 14, 2006, 05:57:06 AM »
I am still so angry ........ if other members on this board think that I have been over the top in my comments, then let me provide the context. India has been a victim of terrorist violence since 1980, long before the term become so fashionable and on everyone's mind. Long before it started affecting "first world citizens", we have carried this burden. We have lost tens of thousands of innocents, whether in Kashmir or Punjab (bet no one in this board has even heard of the terror in Punjab) or Mumbai ........

The bomb attacks in Mumbai were especially painful, not just because I am a resident, but because they were targeted at the commuter trains. Majority of Mumbai's 18mn population live in the north, in what are called the suburbs. Majority of the work places are in the south, in what is called the island city or town. Every single working day, 6.4 mn take the train to work. If the trains do not work, the city does not work. Mumbai's infrastructure is creaking, so 4500 people travel in each train, designed to carry only some 1300 commuters. So, you can imagine the rush hour traffic. Many of the commuters travel over 30 kms each way every day, some even as much as 60 kms each way.... so, this daily commute is no walk in the park. I used to take the train myself earlier, when I lived in the suburbs and can testify about how it really drains you.

So, here you have people tired out at 6:00 PM, taking a congested, tiring train ride home only to be bombed. And, you think emotions would not run high???

And, you will read lots of articles about Mumbai's spirit - in one way, it is absolutely correct, the way common people turned out to help those in distress was absolutely heartwarming; in another way, when the articles talk about how Mumbai went back to work, the next day, it is wrong. Majority of the people who take the train are daily wage earners. So, if they stay at home, they don't eat. So, they have to go to work, irrespective of how worried or scared they may be. Can you imagine the stress and trauma for their loved ones as they send them to work, because they can not afford to stay at home?

One final thought here: how long do you think India can be pushed? How long do you think we, the people, will tolerate our current government bartering security for votes? When the USA went searching for the source after 9/11, they went to Afghanistan. When we go searching for the source, what do you think will happen?

Poirot
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Re: Mumbai Bomb Blast
« Reply #26 on: July 14, 2006, 06:16:34 AM »

Politics and Religion never mix well.

Miaki

I wish, Miaki, I wish. It is only common, decent folks like you and me who would ever say this, more as hope than anything, I suppose. The politicians and religious leaders know the reverse to be true. Organised religion and politics mix very well, because there is not much difference between them.

Take organised religion:
1. It is hierarchical
2. Refuses to tolerate dissent
3. Claims to be the only true way
4. Rubbishes all other organised religons
5. Consorts closely with political parties that can advance its cause

How is this different from a political party? Except that in no. 5, you would substitute religious party. I don't know how it is in Australia - if you do not have religious leaders poking their noses in politics, and vice versa, you are lucky, indeed. I will tell you about vote bank politics in India, when you are in the mood for a horror story!

Forgive me for being so cyncial, but this is the nature of the beast.

Poirot

Re: Mumbai Bomb Blast
« Reply #27 on: July 14, 2006, 06:17:19 AM »
Hi
Here is a very nice piece of writing on The Bombay Blast by Shobhaa De.. one of India's well known female journalist and writer.. maybe some of you will be interested in this:
Here goes :


Forget the spirit, it’s time to fight back  
SHOBHAA DÉ


How I hate statistics. I’m staring at the headlines and turning
away from those cold, harsh numbers: 11 minutes, 7 blasts. 190
dead. I’m reading everything listlessly, my mind numb, my eyes
glazed. We already have a name for what happened last evening —
Terrible Tuesday. That’s how it will be remembered from this
moment on. “Bombay — The Bomb Blast Capital of the World,”
declares a daily, almost as if it’s some sort of a macabre boast,
a grisly achievement.

“We are with you,” Condi Rice is assuring us. So is Tony Blair.
And of course, our general from across the border, Pervez
Musharraf. Something snaps within me. Oh yeah? I say to myself.
How easy it is to utter such inanities, such platitudes.

A girlfriend calls from Karachi on my cellphone. Her number
doesn’t flash. “Private”, reads my display. Wearily, I take the
call, wondering which foreign journo it could be, sweeping down
for an appropriate quote to file the mandatory copy, more
concerned about a deadline than the dead of my beloved Mumbai. I
don’t feel like “cooperating” with co-hacks. I refuse to go on TV
channels, hastily putting the right mix of concerned panelists
together for prime time specials. I cannot, will not, be a part
of the media-circus dishing out well-rehearsed sound bites in a
safe and cosy studio.

And I absolutely will not stoop to saluting the “Spirit of
Mumbai” one more bloody time. I’ve had it. I’m up to there. And I
don’t need to draw the world’s attention to this amazing “spirit”
of ours. I want to yell, scream, protest and hit back. I don’t
want to be ladylike and generous, calm and resilient. Hell no.
And I’m pretty sure it’s this very spirit of ours that has
allowed the most recent atrocity to take place. Had we been more
vigilant, more angry, more aggressive the last time such a
ghastly crime was committed against it (2003), perhaps we would
not be the sitting ducks waiting to be annihilated with such
ease, as we were.

Why Mumbai? That’s the dumbest question to ask. And yet, so many
informed and intelligent people have been asking it since the
first bogey got ripped apart at 6.24 pm, Khar station. It is
shameful that the Union home minister should squeak his apology
after the horror of the attacks had hit home. For him to
acknowledge that there was enough information available to
suggest something major was in the offing, but that the
intelligence agencies had no clue as to where, how or what would
be the target, is a pathetic admission. If they did not possess
that most vital piece of information, what are they talking about
in that case?

In retrospect, it’s easy to claim the government agencies weren’t
sleeping on the job — but damn it — the truth is, they were! And
someone must take the rap, own up responsibility and tell us what
the next step is going to be. I suspect we’ll hear nothing, for
they have nothing to say. There is no plan in place, there is
nothing by way of disaster management, and all those
self-important mantris sitting in Delhi don’t have a clue. They
are as dazed as those hapless commuters one saw on TV, babbling
incoherently while trying to make some sense out of the
monumental tragedy.

There is a devilish method to the madness. Mumbai is a marked
city. Let us make no mistake on this score. Once we face up to
this brutal truth, we shall have to ask ourselves what to do the
next time such a thing happens. For it will. And the demons
orchestrating these terrorist attacks are not going to wait for
13 years. Or even two.

Why should they? They’ve seen for themselves how easy it is to
hold Mumbai to ransom. They know how vulnerable the metropolis
is. They’ve realised Mumbai is the safest target in the world.
Unprotected and naked. Anybody can waltz in with anything and
blow it up. Doesn’t take much. Just a few willing “volunteers”
who can nonchalantly and effortlessly move around the city,
planting explosive devices that go undetected till — Boom — they
blow up a few hundred innocent citizens. Nothing happens even
after that.

The people of Mumbai are “cho chweet”, they forget so fast — they
forgive so easily. Look at them — back at work already — not even
24 hours have passed. And see how they helped one another —
complete strangers offered their homes, shared meals, shared
emotions. Wah! Wah! Really, these Mumbaikars are amazing.

Yes, sir, we truly are amazing. And I hate us for being so.
Amazing does not mean accommodating. To hell with being
resilient. It’s high time we fight back — fiercely, ferociously,
fearlessly. Only then will I be able to hold my head high as a
Mumbaikar.

We owe our dead at least this much. Let us not insult their
memory by being passive. By being “nice”. Tough times need tough
people and tough talk. You have the city’s marching orders, Mr
Deshmukh. Start walking!
 

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Re: Mumbai Bomb Blast
« Reply #28 on: July 14, 2006, 06:50:40 AM »
Hi
Here is a very nice piece of writing on The Bombay Blast by Shobhaa De.. one of India's well known female journalist and writer.. maybe some of you will be interested in this


Thanks for this article. Shobha De really tells it like it is ..... This govt is history, whether at the state or the centre. For a few votes, they have sold our security. And, we will remember this when the elections come around. The doddering home minister, the apologist HRD minister and the "gentleman" prime minister ....

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Re: Mumbai Bomb Blast
« Reply #29 on: July 14, 2006, 07:14:28 AM »
 :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap

The article was excellent. Thanks Shikha for posting it.

 

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