meat eater

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meat eater
« on: January 09, 2010, 11:59:27 AM »
i want to ask you a thing...my husband has thallasemia media and he its a lot of meat.
he its meat two times  a  day and more than 400 gr per time...when i cook something else except meat he will eat a little bit but at evening he will order meat......his holisterin is to good.....what is your opinion about his nutrition????you think that he needs so much meat????
thank you

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Re: meat eater
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2010, 04:51:47 PM »
Eating large quantities of red meat can lead to high amounts of iron being absorbed from the meat, in those with thalassemia intermedia. If his Hb level in normally below 10, he will absorb excess iron from his diet. Without details of his Hb level and transfusion frequency, I can't tell you more, but his need for chelation is likely higher because of his diet.
Andy

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Re: meat eater
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2010, 05:52:45 PM »
i want to ask you a thing...my husband has thallasemia media and he its a lot of meat.
he its meat two times  a  day and more than 400 gr per time...when i cook something else except meat he will eat a little bit but at evening he will order meat......his holisterin is to good.....what is your opinion about his nutrition????you think that he needs so much meat????
thank you

In thalassemia there is an excess of iron and iron causes oxidation.
Meat is very high in oxidation and destroys antioxidants in what food he eats which
DO contain antioxidants like his fruits and vegetables.
WHEN he eats such a diet he is simply causing an early death and the effects of
elevated iron levels leading to MANY different diseases in NORMAL people let alone
people who are KNOWN to be in a state of iron overload.
YOU do the cooking and it is YOUR who have married and expect to live to a long
long life WITH this man with a disease.
YOU feed him and it is going to be YOU who are going to HAVE to change his diet to
that diet which has been shown to be effective in people with hepatitis C.
The diet found to be effective in hepatitis C is approximately 8 mg of iron per day.
Cites available if required.
Imho ..

Re: meat eater
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2010, 10:29:27 PM »
thank you for the answers...my husband tranfusion frequency is about 15-17 days and his last iron level was 500 from 250 before three months..his hurt MRI was excellent as doctor said.
also doctors in our hospital dont suggest vitamins,no l-carnitine,no zinc,no folic
doctor only suggest calcium(mega calcium 1000)and vitamin d..
my husband last exams was
chol h.d.l 35 mg
chol  181
alb 4.5 g/dl
dBil 0.65 mg/dl
TBil 2.20 mg/dl
urea  54
PO 3  4.7
LDH 518 u/l
crea
0.8
But i am worried as i said for the bigs amount of meat that he eats with NO fruits and almost no vegetables.
all the times that i tried to cook something GREEN he order from outside..he said he feels too hungry with no meat in the table....
now i am cooking two dishes...one GREEN for me amd something with meat for him...at least no to eat from the delivery

Re: meat eater
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2010, 06:46:45 PM »
Sounds like to me you don't know how to cook girl.
Have you ever heard of a burrito .. or a taco with bean instead of meat .. ?
In hemochromatosis they have SHOWN an **increased** absorption of specifically
'heme iron' that iron found ONLY in blood based food.
Sooo since hemochromatosis is NOW been shown to be possibly linked to
thalassemia the 'probability' of thalassemia ALSO absorbing iron from
meat at a higher rate is therefore higher too.
So what you will have to doooo is learn how to cook food well because there
are MANY food which 'satiate' and YOU controlling the cooking makes it much more
easy for you to be able to extend the life of your husband by LIMITING his intake
of meat.
There is nothing like a well made falafel ..  :wink
Imho ..

Re: meat eater
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2010, 08:11:33 PM »
In hemochromatosis they have SHOWN an **increased** absorption of specifically
'heme iron' that iron found ONLY in blood based food.
Sooo since hemochromatosis is NOW been shown to be possibly linked to
thalassemia the 'probability' of thalassemia ALSO absorbing iron from
meat at a higher rate is therefore higher too.


Re: meat eater
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2010, 08:12:04 PM »
This shows how the meat iron is absorbed 'differently' and MORE
than the iron from plants in hemochromatosis.

<<snip>>
The effect of heme iron intake (from meat, fish, and poultry) was 2.0
times greater (1.2-3.2) on C282Y homozygotes than other groups.
<<snip>>

Epidemiology. 2005 Nov;16(6):802-5. Related Articles, Links


HFE genotype modifies the influence of heme iron intake on iron status.

Greenwood DC, Cade JE, Moreton JA, O'Hara B, Burley VJ, Randerson-Moor
JA, Kukalizch K, Thompson D, Worwood M, Bishop DT.

Biostatistics Unit, University of Leeds, and Genetic Epidemiology
Division, Cancer Genetics Building, St. James's University Hospital,
Leeds, UK. d.c.greenwood@leeds.ac.uk

BACKGROUND: Public health policy to prevent iron deficiency through
food fortification or other measures may be disadvantageous to people
with hereditary hemochromatosis.
METHODS: From a cohort of U.K. women,
2531 women were typed for C282Y and H63D mutations in the
hemochromatosis gene. These women completed food frequency
questionnaires and provided blood for iron status.
RESULTS: C282Y
homozygotes (n=31) had serum ferritin concentrations 2.4 times higher
(95% confidence interval=1.9-3.1) than wild types (n=1774), but
heterozygotes (n=726) were not different from wild types. H63D genotype
had no effect on its own. The effect of heme iron intake (from meat,
fish, and poultry) was 2.0 times greater (1.2-3.2) on C282Y homozygotes
than other groups. Nonheme iron had little effect.
CONCLUSIONS: There
may be scope for dietary intervention in women homozygous for the C282Y
mutation. C282Y heterozygotes and H63D homozygotes and heterozygotes
have similar serum ferritin concentrations to wild type and need not
reduce their meat intake other than as part of a normal healthy diet.

PMID: 16222171

 

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