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Gaza massacre
Zaini:
--- Quote from: Canadian_Family on January 08, 2009, 08:14:00 PM ---Okay, I tried to stay out of this topic, its getting nasty.
Elections in Israel are due in Feb 2009, Mr. Olmert (not a premier candidate this time) sternly being criticised on corruption basis, needs a legacy. Mr. Ehud Barak is the next candidate for premier job, needs something to play on. Get it……
The leaders of India and Pakistan should have their heads examined. Generally, millions of their citizens die of hunger and poverty and they don’t give it a ‘D’. Yes they take on the opportunity to play on the blood of few innocent, pure political manoeuvre.
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:yeahthat
--- Quote from: Andy on January 08, 2009, 08:17:57 PM ---Do you sometimes get the idea that it is only the leaders who want constant strife? It seems that very few leaders anywhere have any interest in peace, while the people always suffer.
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No one has to feel sorry for my country,i know we have had corrupt politicians and people who have miss presented our religion,terminology of mullah might be right for them,but the true heirs of Prophet's religion are called "Ulama",and these are the ones whose sacrifices can never be forgotten through out our history.
No one can destroy our nation,be it politicians,army or any outside source,yes you can destroy a country,it's infra structure,but as a nation we are still here,after 60 tough years.
I am not sure that whatever happened in Mumbai was done by Pakistanis,our govt is working on it,but IF they were Pakistanis and it's a big IF (as govts of both countries tend to blame each other whenever any thing happens in any of the country) then Pakistan can not be blamed alone,as we have seen terrorist acts of Raw in Pakistan too.I am not saying that whatever happened in Mumbai was right,just telling the facts.
I hold no enmity towards any country,live and let others live,that should be the policy of every country,I hope one day we'll see a peaceful world working towards more productive causes,i hope misery of my Palestinian brothers will soon end,my prayers are with them.
Zaini.
Lena:
If you want to be trully informed for situation in Gaza proceed to the site of "electronic intifada".
This is the formal Palestinian portal, with articles and news about what's happening in Gaza today.
www.electronicintifada.net.
T @ r ! Q:
--- Quote ---How much longer before Pakistan even admits that it was Pakistanis who were behind the latest attacks?
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Imagine twelve people cross the Naval defence of a regional power of Asia, in a boat :huh. And they find there way to high security area of Mumbai with loads of guns and ammo. Then they have everything settled in hotels and they have stocks of ammo and food for them to spend time there.Can that get more dumb than this? ??? Why the whole world accepts a ridiculous made-up story by India, but when we say we didn't do it, they don't accept.
Maybe you've heard about Marriot Hotel attack in September 2008 in Islamabad. It was confirmed that a day before, US marines shifted some large boxes to hotel's fifth floor and marines were resident on the same floor. When blast happened at hotel entrance, for no obvious reason, fire broke out at 5th floor. And magically no marine was even minor hurt. Will you accept our story? No, super powers need no explanation, they are not answerable right?? its we who have to try so damn hard to explain our side.
--- Quote ---It gives Pakistan's government little credibility when they fire the national security adviser after he admits that the terrorist caught was from Pakistan!
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And tell me why does US has to interfere in our personal matter and demand restoration of security advisor. I tell you why, that is the whole problem, US has 100% influence on our administration and establishment. From President to Ministers to Secretaries and all the way to Armed Forces heads, all are hired after approval from US. Why, because they are using us as their policy implementers. Not forgetting the famous Rumsfield threat to Musharraf before Afghan strike "Are you with us or against us". These circumstances, and what options do we have?
And when we talk about accepting, first US should accept that they were the founders of Osama bin Laden platoon, and the honour was done from the hands of ISI. Taliban were trained to be used against Russia. After doing enough to Russia, imagine what some mindless goons armed with all sort of techs and trained only to kil will dol, they keep on doing what they are good at. So we can see the situation at Pak-Afghan border areas, and suicide attacks all over Pakistan in past few years.
--- Quote ---India will act and I am sure it will be a disaster for all
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Believe me it ain't gonna happen. Both countries have missiles pointed towards each other. It will be a matter of minutes before south asia goes flat. It will be foolish. And India has plans to become the region economic giant, they will never ruin that. This pressure building is all part of a election campaign thats all. Thats the same thing Bush did just before elections, couple of drone and ground troops attack in Northern Pakistan areas adjacent to Afghan border which all ended up in civilian deaths (It is said that when cat gets frustrated, it scratches the pole)
Sharmin:
Dear Tariq,
Us North Americans are the first to admit that the US government is opportunistic and the root of most problems here and abroad. We are also the first to say that Bush is a homicidal, ignorant moron who has used every trick and manipulation in the world. It is also true that the US is probably responsible for creating Bin Laden, and Bush was re elected into office the second time due to his scare tactics. As Andy has said before, in a discussion relating to Singapore (withholding information from the public and lack of democracy in Singapore) it is important for all of us (along with acknowledging the good in our countries) to acknowledge the horrible things our countries and government are capable of. I am of Indian decent, born and raised in Canada and living in North America and I have friends all over the world - and I know that there are wonderful things about all of these countries and there are also deep routed troubles and things that need to change about all of them. As long as we keep blaming everyone else and not looking at what is wrong with us nothing will get better.
Just my two cents - I hope for peace,
Sharmin
T @ r ! Q:
Sharmin,
I have many times pointed at my own country in my previous comments. We people agree that pak govt and admin is full of filthy people and enemies from within and outside are all making use of those in govt for their own benefit.
"No justice No Peace" we all know. Whether this justice is required by a single person, a group of people or a whole nation. There is no other way of achieving peace. Hold a referendum or fair elections in Kashmir and their will be peace. Stop strengthening looters and drug leaders in Afghanistan and there will be peace. Withdraw forces from Iraq and apologize in front of whole world for screwing Iraq on a false alarm and there will be peace. Stop colonizing Palestine land and allow food and medicines through and there will be peace.
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